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post #1 of 14 Old 03-16-2012, 12:25 PM Thread Starter
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Horse is buddy sour. I need suggestions

I posted before about my horse not wanting to move forward when I rode him. Getting a trainer is not an option here, although my dad used to train horses for many years and he will be visiting next week. Now after saying that I need a few suggestions on what I should do, maybe different ideas if you had a horse that acted like this. I am not going to do anything on my own but what I did last time did not work.

We have only had this horse for 2 weeks. He is extremely friendly and well behaved. He learns really fast and is very well broke. He has been testing us a bit and was very nervous in our barn but has now stopped being silly, except for this one issue.

I tried to ride him 2 days ago and everything was going really well. He wants to try and go back to the corral where the other horses are tied all the time. So I kept correcting him by turning his head back the way I wanted him to go and applying slight pressure to get him to move. This was working really well and he was doing great other than a few tugs. I then turned him around on the roadway and he started to trot so I pulled his head into my knee and spun him in a tight right circle and tried to continue on. I did this 3 times but on the 4th try it didn't matter to him at all that I was pulling his head sideways he picked up speed and broke into a gallop. At this point I decided to hold on for dear life because I didn't know what he was going to do.

Well he stopped right in front of the corral and parked! He is trained to park upon stopping and stay that way. Well then he would not budge! He remained parked and would not move, so he won I got off. It was late and my kids were getting cold. It now makes sense why he wouldn't move and kept turning left the first time I tried. He was trying to go back to the other horses!

So my question is how do you/ would you fix this?
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post #2 of 14 Old 03-16-2012, 12:42 PM
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whatever you decide to do, i would assume it's going to take long hours and a lot of dedication from you. If possible, don't bring your kids so you can plan to take as much time as this needs. Only end a session when you see some progress.

I think you went about it mostly the right way, but he sounds incredibly determined! Galloping back to the corral and parking there is a big mistake. If you can't get him to budge, he doesn't consider you a leader at all. He thinks he can do what he wants and that you can't make him do anything. If he does do that again you need to make him move, grap a whip or anything else and up the ante. you don't need to beat him but you do need to let him know you are serious about what you're asking.

Make him work into a sweat in front of that corral with plenty of tight circles. and only roll him out into a walk if you are heading away from the other horses. he will likely want a break and walk a little, but as soon as he starts to want to go back work him harder and repeat, only letting hiim rest away from the horses.
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post #3 of 14 Old 03-16-2012, 12:56 PM
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That is precisely what red tries with Flicka. I have to make sure to work the fool out of him and make the "fun zone" not so fun anymore. Never take him to that spot and get off. Never let him choose where you stop. I'm no trainer, but it's what I did and he doesn't do it anymore.
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I recently caught a Clinton Anderson show on this exact issue. And the above suggestions is exactly what they did. They brought this horse near other horses and made him WORK. It was in Texas and if he was within 20 feet of another horse, they had him at a canter doing circles around the horses and just worked him hard.

They would offer to let him move away from the other horses and if he did and stayed calm, he got to walk and get loved on. The moment he reacted to other horses, it was back at the canter.

Now my gelding went through a phase of being buddy sour for the first time in 12 years. He likes my daughter's filly and thinks he is supper stud when she is in sight. The last two times I had issues this is what I did.

The filly was in the barn, tied and calling for him, he was trying desperatly to gallop to her. Cantering my half Arab into being tired would take hours, so we did other work, just out of sight of the filly at first. We side passed forty feet one way, then back three or four times. Then we did full turns on the forehand and turns on the rear.

Once he was working smoothly and a bit tired out of sight, we made sure to clear the people out of the way, and did the same thing inside the barn less than 30 feet from the tied filly. Half an hour of that and he didn't want to be bad anymore. Done for the day.

Four days later, I wanted to make sure this was fully fixed so I took him into the round pen with the filly being worked in hand by my daughter. Shaman and I worked for about 40 minutes to get a join-up, which usually only takes two or three with this horse. Once I got my join-up and let him rest and loved on him and asked my daughter to bring in the filly.

Now the round pen is currently inside the arena, so we turned the filly loose in the arena to run and be a horse. My gelding talked once to her and I sent him around the round pen again. This time it took almost an hour for me to get my join-up and by that time he was dripping in sweat. He has not noticed that filly exists since then. I have asked on two different days for a join-up and both times got it within two or three minutes.

This is what worked for me.
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Thanks for the replies. He didn't get to be done for the day but I was done for the day. My husband took him and worked him for an hour through the snow and up and down a fairly large hill and he was good and tired by the time he was done and listening very well.

He is funny that way, when he parks if we switch riders he will start walking again but keep trying to go back to the others. I had to be done though because I have a 7 week old baby.

Do you think I should work him before even getting on him? I am sure he has lots of pent up energy. We have only had him 2 weeks and he sat in a pasture all winter before we bought him. Since he is my horse I need him listening to me as well.
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Congrats on the baby!

I would.... some time spent on the lunge line could not hurt, and it is less of a workout for you so you have more energy while he has less. Sounds like a win win situaiton to me!
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Sounds like you are getting your horse under control thats great keep it up. We all have our problems with our horses. My gelding this spring decided he was going to be barn sour. He would ride out fine but as soon as we turned to come home he was in a big snizzy. He tryed to buck me off tryed to take off but none of that worked i did get his attension. Made him sidepass backup do some spins rollbacks and such once i had him thinking he rode home fine. But the work didnt end when we got home made him work hard for a hour. Then he got tied up to my tie post for 4 hours only after that did he get to go out with his buddy to eat hay.When we come home from riding i never just turn him out to have fun eating. He spends at least 2 hours tiedup to the post sometimes i leave him saddled other time i unsaddle him. He is now never in a hurry to get home because home means work and standing tied for hours.
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Oh I really like the tying him up idea. He gets bored when tied so that might actually work for him. Since there's no way I can keep working for hours right now. We have our 2 horses at a friends place until our property sells. My husband gets over there more often than I do because it's still cold and snowy so taking 3 kids over there isn't always wise to do.

Thanks again for the responses. I am open to all ideas.
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We separate all of our heard bound horses. I would stick him outside by himself in a secure paddock if he is that bad/dangerous undersaddle. Then I would increase the distance away from the other horses. He will probably run a bit and call at first but he should settle down in a day or so.

Also when I ride a heard bound horse I like to keep a long halter and lead still on them. If any funny business happens and I can't get his attention under saddle I get off quick and lunge them for a few minutes like the wrath of hell. Get back on and repeat if needed. His attention should quickly come right back to you!
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I am having trouble with this as well, so reading all of these suggestions has been very helpful!
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