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post #11 of 58 Old 06-03-2011, 09:24 PM Thread Starter
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Have you tried different saddles? Cinches? Saddle pads? Have you tried it without the breastcollar?

I would switch it all up. Try a longer girth, a different saddle and a different pad. Leave the breast collar off. Also, try putting your saddle and cinch back a bit.
I use three different saddles on him, and all three have had the same issue. One close contact (english), a roper saddle and my barrel saddle. I can see if the pad / cinch makes a difference. (I don't use any breast plate or martingale for english)

Endiku - Yeah he's not going anywhere without me. =) Other than the 2 acre pasture when he retires. ;)

jwells84 - I spend a good 5-10 minutes slowly cinching him up to avoid the situation. I think it helps but doesn't always stop it. I do have a bareback pad, I'll have to see if he does it for that.

JustDressageIt - It looks normal, but he is pretty much frozen and out of it. Its hard to show it without pushing him over the edge. Its just a snap, he freezes, won't move until I ask him to. Which he goes over backwards or bolts forward. I'm forcing my sister to come with a camera tomorrow. I'll see if he acts like he did today.

Yeah, >_< Its how I used to saddle. I thought I was clever in slowing up the part where I cinched up. I then thought about the mechanics of it and I no longer do the breast collar first. No worries, I understand the dangers and changed the order of how I saddle up.
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post #12 of 58 Old 06-03-2011, 09:37 PM
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Strange question. Is that him bowing in your avatar? How did you teach him to bow while riding? Is it possible that somehow, you are telling him to bow without knowing it?
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subbing.. this seems interesting. i dont have any advice to help with him though, sorry.

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Strange question. Is that him bowing in your avatar? How did you teach him to bow while riding? Is it possible that somehow, you are telling him to bow without knowing it?
Yeah, he bows under saddle and on the ground. He also lays down. Honestly though it has helped with keeping him calm in this situation. He used to panic, rear up and fall over. He even flipped over a few times. Now he just shuts down, goes into the bow and lays/falls down from there. Instead of throwing himself down.

His cue for laying down and bowing are tapping/holding one of the front legs and then asking him to shift his weight back. He does lay down when frustrated but its different. He will hold up one front leg and fold his back legs first and then lay down. If he is told to bow/lay down he is very very calm. While when he is being saddled, he is freaking out. He will thrash and try to get up immediately.
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I've seen this happen with two different horses. One was our TWH when I was first getting her used to being saddled, which went away on it's own. The second was another boarder at our stable. When he started to go down, he was brought back forward each time until he quit trying to go down. I don't know why they do it or any advice to get them to stop.

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What is going on with your horse and other horses who do the same thing is a form of "balking" which means the horse "stops short and refuses to proceed, refusing or likely to refuse to proceed or act as directed or expected" credited to Webster's Dictionary. Balking is also known as just being plain contrary. I've known of some horses who do the same thing when they are being asked to load up in a trailer. About the only thing you can do is let your horse work through being moody and contrary. By no means let his antics sway you from keeping on doing what you want him to do, because that is exactally what he wants you to do.
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post #17 of 58 Old 06-04-2011, 11:02 AM Thread Starter
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I've seen this happen with two different horses. One was our TWH when I was first getting her used to being saddled, which went away on it's own. The second was another boarder at our stable. When he started to go down, he was brought back forward each time until he quit trying to go down. I don't know why they do it or any advice to get them to stop.
Hmm. I thought it would be something seen out of horses that are being started. Jake is 20 years old and has been rode all most all of his life as far as I have known. Well at least I know other horses do it to, thanks.

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What is going on with your horse and other horses who do the same thing is a form of "balking" which means the horse "stops short and refuses to proceed, refusing or likely to refuse to proceed or act as directed or expected" credited to Webster's Dictionary. Balking is also known as just being plain contrary. I've known of some horses who do the same thing when they are being asked to load up in a trailer. About the only thing you can do is let your horse work through being moody and contrary. By no means let his antics sway you from keeping on doing what you want him to do, because that is exactally what he wants you to do.
Its just so odd that I'm pretty sure he isn't doing it to avoid work. He always has been fine after these episodes and always has been rode directly after. (After a check of soundness of course). He has laid down when frustrated and is avoiding but it is different than this. When he is frustrated everything is calculated and planned and you can see him thinking about it. This is a panic, he gets a look on his face that you can tell 'no ones home' and when he snaps out of that he panics so bad that he trips over his own feet and falls over half the time.
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I have to agree with Cori's line of questions.

You point things out in your video that to me look more like him trying to do what you have asked him to do. You move his leg forward and then you say 'see, he will not even move his leg to get more comfortable'. He is not moving his leg back because you have told him to stand with it there.

To me it seems like he is getting confused at what you want him to do. Is it do one of my tricks time or not, etc.
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We had a horse come in the barn for training a couple years back who did the exact same thing. I thought I nearly killed him the first time I went to ride him. We ending up putting a fuzzy girth cover over the girth. And also doing what your doing with tightening it very slowy. I would leave it on hole one. After I bridled him, i would go to hole 2, walk out to the ring, hole three. the I would stretch his front legs out to make sure there was no pinching skin. Get on and as he was walking I would tighten it to hole 4 while in the saddle. He did get better about it over time. He was just sensitive.

Too me in that video it looks like he knows whats coming and freezes, your just going to throw the saddle on and clinch it up real quick. IMO in the second video you tightened it way to quickly for him. Didnt give him a chance to get his brain back. Good luck with him though, seems like your doing a good job on figuring him out and wanting to do whats best for him.

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Hmm. I thought it would be something seen out of horses that are being started. Jake is 20 years old and has been rode all most all of his life as far as I have known. Well at least I know other horses do it to, thanks.



Its just so odd that I'm pretty sure he isn't doing it to avoid work. He always has been fine after these episodes and always has been rode directly after. (After a check of soundness of course). He has laid down when frustrated and is avoiding but it is different than this. When he is frustrated everything is calculated and planned and you can see him thinking about it. This is a panic, he gets a look on his face that you can tell 'no ones home' and when he snaps out of that he panics so bad that he trips over his own feet and falls over half the time.
The second horse that I mentioned had been rode for many years. He too had only done it for a short while then quit. A while later, like a few years, he started again. He doesn't do it everytime he is saddled though. At least this is from what we were told by his owner. I have seen his most recent episodes and he seems to have come out of it again.

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