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post #1 of 56 Old 10-19-2011, 06:46 AM Thread Starter
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Horse that no one can catch :-(

Hi everyone,
I hope some can help me catch a 4 year old welsh d due to some one taking off his head collar round 8 months ago, in a nice big field and now no one can catch him i have tried everything i can think of doing with no luck, there is no stable, shed or part to put him in, and there is about 11 other horses running around to, i have had a lead rope round his neck but he was running backwards and head up high in the end i could not hold him and had to let go and he was getting stressed out to, need to catch him to move him to my yard has he is my daughters pony, and needs to be broken in once he has head collar on he is fine and will do anything you ask, i have been working with horses for 30 years and i have never not been able to not catch a horse lol, but been defeated with him but i not giving up yet he has been given Sedalin that did not work, feed ect no luck he does join up but has soon has he sees head collar he runs he was bought off a horse dealer.
hope some one has a idea i can try that i have not yet tryed
thank you
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post #2 of 56 Old 10-19-2011, 07:24 AM
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Probably a very obvious suggestion here, but have you tried bribing him with food?
Also, if you can get a rope over his neck, try slipping it up to his poll and wrapping an end of the lead around his nose to make a makeshift halter and give you some degree of control to get him into a smaller area.
If all else fails - dart gun :P
Welshies are smart little buggers - mine is the same. Though very much retired, I can trim her feet, get her teeth done, worm her etc without having a halter on her - show her a halter and she is gone faster than you can say "catch"! Certainly knows that she's retired haha!

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post #3 of 56 Old 10-19-2011, 07:29 AM Thread Starter
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yer tried food had lead rope round neck but tuck off backwards lol could not hang on lol not has young as i was,
my welsh d is brill with her head collar but she is 18 now,
he was badly beaten before my daughter bought him and did not find out till i told her after she had bought him with out me knowing.
tried just about everything

thank you for your reply x
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post #4 of 56 Old 10-19-2011, 07:42 AM
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You need to build a corral then start feeding the other horses in the corral, that one will follow eventually and then you can close gate. Once in the corral, catch the other 11 and lead em out, Then basically lunge the other one at a trot in a circle until it gets tired and figures out standing is easier.
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post #5 of 56 Old 10-19-2011, 08:07 AM
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We had a similar problem with a horse a friend of our just got. The horse had minimal human contact and what contact there was, when he was caught, he had to work(being trained). He was in our horses pasture but the pasture isn't that big. What we did was get all the horses in a corner and took a rope between three people to create a pen for them. Our horses were fine being closed in but he was still jumpy. After he settled a bit, I started walking thru the horses rubbing each a while. I think he saw that the other horses were fine with me there and made him a little more at ease. I made my way to him slowly and when I got to him I didn't try to "catch" him right away. I rubbed him a little even though he resisted being touched. Finally I slipped a rope around his neck until I could get the halter on. If he tried to get away I would make one of our horses move to block him.

After he was caught, we gave him some feed and let him munch on grass. Then we worked on getting him comfortable about us touching him and being near him. The next day he had no problem with us catching him but we did leave his halter on overnight just in case.

Many horses I've seen that are hard to catch are that way because they haven't been given a positive reason to be caught. When they are caught, they have to work. Mixing up getting caught then just getting groomed and getting feed instead of just having to work, gives them a good thing to look forward to. Just my opinion but we don't have any problem catching our horses. Some were very hard to catch or even touch when we got them.
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post #6 of 56 Old 10-19-2011, 08:46 AM
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I think the first thing to do is not get frustrated. The instant you get frustrated you get tense and breath very shallow. A horse sees this and wants nothing to do with you. Walk slowly, focus past your horse, or not directly at him, breath easy deep breaths, think positive, go at a relaxed pace. Don't take a rope or halter with you the first time, just some small treats. do that a couple times a day. This is actually how my horses get fed when i first get them. it allows me to work on them getting comfortable with me in the pasture, and i work on any food aggression at the same time. then move on to bringing the halter and lead line with you but not using them. make sure to rub his face and get him used to your hands there. after a couple times of that go out put the halter on and then give the small treat. you can work out the treats but make sure that there is something pleasant for him every time he's caught.

The other option is setting up a round pen in the pasture and getting him trapped there walk up to put the halter on and if he backs off then make sure he keeps moving away until it would be much less work to just get the halter on. when he joins up with you try again, if it doesn't work run some more.

I find that most people are "on a mission" when the go to catch their horse predators do that; they hunt, stalk and chase. Often just calming down and relaxing will do the trick, stopping at other horses to socialize and then move on.
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post #7 of 56 Old 10-19-2011, 10:23 AM
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I would start by getting the other horses out of the field first so he is alone. and if it was me, i would then try and corral him into a smaller area of the field. close it in so eventually he has no room to run.

My horse did the same to me as a child, i spent hours crying and trying to catch him. once he was left alone though and his partner was lead away he was more willing to follow as he didnt want to be alone.
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post #8 of 56 Old 10-19-2011, 11:20 AM
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not sure the situation of the field they are currently in. but i have a 16 h twh who hates or hated the sight of a halter and he is out 24/7 in a 21 acre field (not small). i made the mistake of taking it off him and no food or treats would get him close enough to you. you walked toward him with a rope he ran the other way.
i eventually treated him like my cattle or sheep. i had made a small temporary field within the other and used my other semi retired horse now to round him into the corral. it took all of ten minutes to get him in (very big opening like 2 gates i needed two other ppl to close them for me.)

once in i gave him some hay and let him settle and kept the other horses away as much as possible. since my round pen is at the other end of out property i just put my trailer to the door and he walked in (he likes trailers). then let him out when we were at the round pen and started to work him.
you probably can elimante the trailer thing though by just putting a small roundpen or small box field within that field they are in now. it would probably save about 20 minutes

once in the round pen.
i did a join up session it took all of 5 minutes but depending on if your guy is trusting it could be longer. this will form a bond with him i am sure you know that though :)
then once i had him following me in every direction without it, i walked to the gate and picked up a halter. he ran and i made him run harder. when he acknowledged me and the halter i stopped and waited for him to come to me then i put it on him. if he walked to me and didn't let me put it on him or near him i made him run again. the idea if he doesn't want to then fine I WILL make you run not YOU WILL decide to run.
he took about an hour total to catch him, get him in the round pen, and then get a halter on him.
but if you keep making him run harder when he runs from the halter and don't let him stop until you say he will eventually learn that its easier just to take the halter. it took me about a month with my guy and he now walks willingly to halter without any hestiation.

sorry very long. but it worked for me and there were no whips or chains used, just simple body language to communicate. good luck i know its a workout dealing with horses like this
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post #9 of 56 Old 10-21-2011, 11:34 AM Thread Starter
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hi all and thank for all your good idea's was there today to try and get him no luck what so ever he not having any of it and to have him darted will cost 800.00 to 1200.00 be pending on the size of field cant afford that to much money for my daughter to pay
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post #10 of 56 Old 10-21-2011, 11:57 AM
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Can you try to borrow some cattle panels?
Honestly you are looking at weeks of work
Gentling him. Do you have any local "cowboys"?
Maybe they could rope him.
You could also try and create a mini coral
Using your trailer, a corner area, and only
If the fence is sturdy/solid. Find his pasture
Buddy, bring him in the area, do not enclose,
Wait for him to follow, then close them both
In. I don't suggest separating him from the
Herd because that will only compound matters.
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