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    12-29-2011, 11:40 AM
  #21
Started
Ouch not good or fun :(
     
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    12-29-2011, 11:47 AM
  #22
Yearling
Someone or something must be coaching him on how to escape. That is one determined boy.

Another option, quit trying to catch him and get him to try and catch you. If you can interact with the other horses, ignore yours and talk to them. Pet them, rub them. Horses are naturally jealous and he may start coming up. Pet him but don't try to do anything else, then, walk away. It almost sounds like he has turned this into a game moreso than fear of a headcollar, so, change the rules and reverse the psychology. By walking away you will make him think that he is the bigger and, forgive the poor word choice, badder predator. I would also drag the headcollar behind me as I walked away. A horse will run from something coming at them but are more likely to follow a "scary" object if it going away from them..again, it is that curiosity and the natural instinct that the "object" is more afraid of the horse than the horse is of it.
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    12-29-2011, 02:33 PM
  #23
Foal
I have had this problem with a horse that I wanted to catch. I ran him in a five acre field for five hours to tire him out. When he figured out that I wouldn't go away, and that standing was easier than running, it was only a matter of time, before I had a halter on him. However, like so many other posts here, this is a nice story that doesn't help you.

What I understand is that you have limited time and limited resources to complete this game of "catch." Your only choice is to restrict his ability to move. That's your only choice. It is obvious to you that the wire fencing is not going to restrict him, based on past performance. Also, you have said that this boy doesn't respect a trailer/box.

This is only my inexperienced opinion, but I see that you have two choices: rope him from another horse or build a pen in the field. Since you have already rejected the idea of roping, that leaves you to build a pen. This is you only choice. I have used this method of entrapment with good success, for goats, horses, and cattle.

You build your pen along one side of the existing fence, using the fence as a funnel to direct your horse into the pen. Then you move him, using body language and groups of people that you can gather. (I have done this alone.) I have used a pen that was built of five foot tall metal gate panels. (I wouldn't use wood because if the horse attempts break through, they very often succeed because of body weight. This would be more dangerous.) I have used a 20' X 20' pen as well as a 10' X 10' pen. Leave one panel open to allow you to close the "door" once the horse enters the pen. I have successfully used a rope tied overhead to pull the gate shut from a distance, but this is much harder because you have to drag the gate panel across the ground, making noise and scaring the animal, to get the door closed. There is danger in this method because the horse will perceive the threat of entrapment and attempt to escape by running over you or whom ever is attempting to close the gate. Cattle love to do this, so you must be very careful to avoid being run down.

If you have time, which I am not sure you have, you can do as others have suggested and feed all the horses in the temporary pen you must build to desensitize them to the presence of the new pen. However, it sounds as if you are out of time.

Considering the conditions that you have outlined, it would seem that this land owner is less than helpful and it sounds as if you are taking you horse out of that situation anyway, which would be good. I would consider hiring a cowboy to rope your horse, even if objected to by the land owner. If you're leaving, who cares what they think. Shoot, I'd figure out a time when that owner might not be present to witness your transgression and do it anyway. It would seem that this land owner doesn't care enough about your horse to provide safe field conditions that should at a minimum include shelter and weed control.

Hope you get it worked out.
     
    12-29-2011, 03:17 PM
  #24
Foal
Elessar

Not sure if there is any cowboys or cowgirls in the uk
I have tried the pen with metal panels and he ran though then and tuck them down with him
     
    12-29-2011, 03:30 PM
  #25
Started
Have you tried an electric fence?? I would not electrify the metal panels it might be to much but it is worth a try as well
     
    12-29-2011, 03:31 PM
  #26
Trained
OK, here's are some crazy thoughts. If I have read this properly it is only the halter and rope that cause the final problem.

Is there any chance you could put a neck collar on him? Would you be able to put a very tightly woven black cloth over his eyes? Or borrow a racing blinder and cover the eyes? A horse that can't see is not so likely to run.

Or, what about when you get close to him, can you put anything on his legs? If you have to get him out and you tie his two front legs together (as in hobbling), he can't run so fast for so long. Now, if this method sounds do-able at all, I'm hoping that one of the true cowboys here will give some input as to the safest way to do that because this horse might completely freak out with restriction on his legs.

If you can do some kind of hobbling, a combination of hobbling and blindfolding will allow you to get a halter on him. Then keep him blindfolded and put him in a trailer. Or better yet, you may then be able to afford a "regular" very soft sedation just to keep him manageable until he is moved.
     
    12-29-2011, 03:52 PM
  #27
Foal
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Originally Posted by tracey    
Elessar

Not sure if there is any cowboys or cowgirls in the uk
I have tried the pen with metal panels and he ran though then and tuck them down with him
Wow. I can't imagine any horse of any size running through a five foot tall metal gate panel that weighs 50#s, tied to a number of other panels creating a fence that would weigh hundreds of pounds. I did see a mare try to jump over a panel once, but she couldn't clear the height and ended up injured by the landing on top of the panel. I am out of ideas. I wouldn't try hobbles because you may injure the horse, and covering his eyes with a coat, wrapping the sleeves under his throat, like a handle, might allow you to then tie a rope over the coat while still covering his eyes, to enable you to load him. Other than that, I'm at a loss.
     
    12-29-2011, 04:15 PM
  #28
Started
This is an example of the fact that a horse's mind/heart is what one needs to lead, because a horse is physically faster & stronger than one.

The poster who said to use reverse psychology & get him to catch you by arousing jealousy & curiosity is right.

Please don't think about catching him; change that to "haltering" him. Your direct-line predatory thinking must change to thinking only about the relationship with the horse, & your adjusting to be his alpha instead of predator.

Good Luck!
     
    12-29-2011, 04:33 PM
  #29
Showing
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Originally Posted by kait18    
i know this might sound out there but have you tried riding a horse to catch him by roping him?? If he is nervous I would just get out there and rope him then pony him off a sturdy horse til you get him in a smaller pen by himself. Then you can do as much ground work and halter breaking as you need ... worth a try atleast to get him seperated to handle
The problem with this is the barbed wire fencing. The last thing you want is for the horse to be chased into that fence.
     
    12-29-2011, 05:07 PM
  #30
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by equiniphile    
The problem with this is the barbed wire fencing. The last thing you want is for the horse to be chased into that fence.
he did a few times and and snapped it and with not been able to get near him if he did do some damage to him self we can't do anything to help him
     

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