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post #11 of 59 Old 05-14-2012, 11:30 PM Thread Starter
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one reason why im asking for help even if an other barn member is hitting him in the chest with a crop hes doesnt move :{ im trying my hardest im just so new to owning a horse lol
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post #12 of 59 Old 05-14-2012, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by WesternRider View Post
one reason why im asking for help even if an other barn member is hitting him in the chest with a crop hes doesnt move :{ im trying my hardest im just so new to owning a horse lol
How hard are they hitting him? Have you tried a dressage whip? They tend to have more bite than a crop does. My three-year-old draft cross respects a dressage whip, but hardly even notices a crop.
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post #13 of 59 Old 05-14-2012, 11:36 PM Thread Starter
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to HHK: im gunna have to get tough with him i guess since my work hours have been cut i now have more time to train he and myself

to drafty: they have used a crop that has the peice of leather at the end that has fallen off ive tried useing a lunge whip nothing :{ i realy want to have a bond with him we are already so close we... talk to each other if that makes any sence but hes a bratty thing ill tell yea
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You will have to get tough but NOT mean! I'll tell you what I do with horses that refuse to more their feet. The 1st thing I do is run back and forth repeatedly pulling them towards me when I run. I'll stop running and just start leading. If they refuse the lead then I start running... pulling them towards me again. I MAKE them move their feet.

One key thing with horses in the herd and establishing their order is...the one that makes the other move it's feet first is in charge. By you making him move his feet, he then realizes he's not in complete control. Once I have complete control of leading the horse, I then make them back up. I do it this way. I start by placing my left hand over the nose where the halter sits and push down. At the same time I pull backwards on the lead rope and repeatedly say, "back". If they refuse to move that way, I then will kick right at the top of their hooves (not violently, but with firmness). Once they have moved off the pressure, you release your pressure and praise. REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT!

Those are just a few steps in re-establishing your dominance. You never want to beat your horse to make them do what you want, but you ALWAYS want to make sure you are showing them you are boss.
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post #15 of 59 Old 05-14-2012, 11:51 PM Thread Starter
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thank you i will start tommoz and practice lol eventually i want it where i can walk with him beside me with no rope
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post #16 of 59 Old 05-15-2012, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DraftyAiresMum View Post
That's not called being bombproof. That's called not giving a **** about what you say and thinking his in charge. In a phrase: he doesn't respect you.

Any time he gets "a little cheeky", get after his butt and make him think it's the end of the world. Shank him back if you have to, smack him on the chest with the lead rope or a dressage whip or crop (not tap, SMACK, make him move his feet. YOU are the boss, not him. Right now, you're nothing to him but another horse (albeit a two-legged one) that he can walk all over and treat any way he wants. Watch a herd interacting. If he tried acting the way he acts with you toward a more dominant horse in the herd, he'd get his a$$ handed to him. You need to do the same thing.

Disrespect in ANY form is NEVER okay. That's how people get hurt.

I dealt with this same problem with my young mare when she was 3. I'm a fairly small person (5'3" around 125lbs) & she's a big gal (well much bigger than me). She used to always push her weight around into me & would drag me across the arena. She scared me. One day I got fed up with it, pulled out the lead chain & haven't had an issue since. I don't normally advocate using stud chains, but with extreme cases I do. My mare responded AMAZINGLY to the chain & I've never had to bring it out after that one day working in it (I've probably brought it out ONCE since then because she was being an absolute brat with my barn rat & grandpa - I'm away at school so can't work her frequently).

This mare is now extremely respectful of my space. I teach all my horses to back up when I squeeze their shoulder & walk towards them. This mare? All I have to do is motion with my hand at her chest & walk towards her. She FLIES backwards. I would not advise using a stud chain if you've never used one before. I would find a trainer or friend who's used one before because like any stern equipment they can be destructive if used wrong.
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post #17 of 59 Old 05-15-2012, 12:10 PM
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Just a tip about the grazing thing:

Instead of yanking on his head - just slide your foot (protected by a boot, of course) under his nose where he is trying to eat. He will lift his head to try and avoid you.

Good luck!

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post #18 of 59 Old 05-16-2012, 11:44 PM Thread Starter
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an update bert is slowly learning to back up with pressure from the rope halter he stops when i stop and tries to back up when i wiggle the lead and walk towards him, he also follows me on a very loose lead. today i even threw the rope over his back and walked away and he stayed there! :} when i came back (i was only over the fence cuz my phone was rigging lol) he put his head right down and pushed his neck/head on my chest and let me lightly lean on his neck to pet his withers
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post #19 of 59 Old 05-17-2012, 02:08 AM
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It sounds like you love him very much which is a great thing. I also agree that he is completely lacking respect for you and - sorry - but Pushing his head in to your chest so that you could pet him isn't respect for you, but the opposite. You should be petting him when you want, not when he demands it.

Try to get into a rhythm with him of you in charge with everything. I will suggest that it's way too early to be asking him to walk free with you as the chances of him just ignoring you and doing his own thing and taking the relationship right back to stage 1 are quite high.

Fairness, firmness and consistency are key and these are long term rules, not quick fixes. Enjoy him.
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post #20 of 59 Old 05-17-2012, 02:17 PM
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Did I misunderstand one of your first posts, but I thought it said he was rearing? If he's rearing, he needs (IMO) professional handling. You are making progress, but you lack information about horse body language that is essential if you are going to be dealing with him. Putting his head into your chest is NOT a sign of respect, but just the opposite. Rearing can be dangerous.... You might want to consult a professional trainer or find one who will work with both of you. It's hard to teach a horse respect, if you can't recognize disrespect.
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