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        10-11-2012, 10:47 AM
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    Personally, at this point I feel like its very unfair to even think about euthinizing her. She is by no means dangerous at all in a field. Just when asked to do certain things. She could very well be taking advantage of us as with my trainer she will put up a fight but soon backs down and listens once she realizes that she won't win. It's so hard to say. She was perfect and we switch barns and like a flick of a switch she's totally different
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        10-11-2012, 11:12 AM
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    Well all you can really do then is eliminate all physical causes that might be giving her pain or neurological problems and if nothing comes up you just have to be tougher with her and not tolerate any bad behaviour
    I'm not a fan of euthanising horses for no good reason so I hope it didn't come over that way but if you can't sort her out then her bad attitude will just escalate until she does become dangerous and hurts someone
    I'm sure she is lovely in the field but you have to be able to handle her safely or that's where she is going to stay - possibly her master plan.
        10-11-2012, 11:17 AM
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    I can lead her safely and walk her around no problem. It's when I ask for things. Yesterday I felt so terrible that I made her bleed with the chain. She was shaking after she reared with eyes wide. But after that she nearly fell asleep with me wrapping her hoof. I'm stumped.
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        10-11-2012, 11:47 AM
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    Originally Posted by Cowgirls Boots    
    I can lead her safely and walk her around no problem. It's when I ask for things. Yesterday I felt so terrible that I made her bleed with the chain. She was shaking after she reared with eyes wide. But after that she nearly fell asleep with me wrapping her hoof. I'm stumped.
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    I can see why you would be
    I know horses can change when they get moved - especially mares who can go through this whole 'submissive behaviour' thing but that's aimed at other horses daring to give them a sideways glance type of thing and not a human handling thing that was never a problem before
    I've had a lot of experience of new horses coming onto yards and they can sometimes try you out but this is your own horse that was originally well behaved.
    Its fairly common for a horse to over react to something that causes them pain - as the chain did, even when they know you and trust you
    I asked about the Lymes - ???????????????
        10-11-2012, 05:30 PM
    My thought is its something pain related. My horse is usually a perfect gentleman, but when he's in pain- watch out. When he's hurting, he becomes truly dangerous (biting, rearing, running you over, kicking, etc.). That's just his way of saying he hurts. If you correct him, he escalates the behaviour and becomes aggressive. I would get her teeth checked first, and watch her closely to see if she will show you where it is.
    A few weeks ago, my boy became aggressive almost overnight (to the point of biting me twice). I had the vet out a few times, did bloodwork and x-rays, and found out he had an abcessed tooth and was in extreme pain. If I would have listened to the vet saying he was fine, it could have killed him. Really watch your horse. Does she seem angry, resilient, fearful, or does she look like she's in pain? If you really watch them, they will tell you what their feeling. This will give you a good idea if its pain, behavioral, or training method.
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        10-11-2012, 05:34 PM
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    It's started ever since we moved barns in July. Today she was perfect. I haltered her up with the chain under the chin this time and let her calmly finish eating her hay and she didn't even give me one problem. She was perfect. The last time I had to actually get super tough with her (which ended in her breaking her halter because she reared up and back) the next day she was perfect. It's like whenever I actually have to use physical force with her and the day goes completely bad the next day she's totally a different horse.

    She does need her teeth done which will be done next week. They aren't bad but are over due.

    I also didn't have her checked for lymes either for the poster who mentioned lymes.
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        10-11-2012, 07:19 PM
    If she's got a ramp or a big hook, that can make a painful lesion inside the cheek and create behavior problems. It certainly made my horse cranky when that happened. Not all the time, but definitely when I touched his face or bridled him up, etc. Now the dentist and I have a schedule that works well to keep that from happening ever again. Who knows - maybe you'll have some luck here and find out that it's her teeth bothering her.

    Something I was wondering, since it's a new barn and all, is there some gelding that she's been flirting with? One of the mares at my barn zeroes in on one or two particular geldings and starts cranking them up, and getting cranked up in return.
        10-11-2012, 08:24 PM
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    Shes only pastured with my gelding who doesnt flirt with mares. Lol (i joke that he's gay ) theyre attached but when she's in heat she doesnt shove her butt in his face and 'flirt' she just pees everywhere and is extra sensitive.
        10-11-2012, 08:34 PM
    Are there any other horses in sight? Adjoining paddocks? It might not be someone she's turned out with, if it's just being marish and getting crabby when distracted from Romantic Thoughts about her beau. The mare who does this at my barn isn't turned out with geldings at all - one of "her boys" is pastured the second-paddock-over (not even right next door) and her backup Boy Toy is my horse, who has been on box rest for an injury the last six weeks.
        10-11-2012, 08:40 PM
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    She is in the middle paddock with other horses pastured all around her. She doesnt show any interest in having another lover besides being a tad buddy sour with my gelding

    I texted my trainer who replied with " what the hell has gotten into her?!" She suggested I try Smart Calm Ultra--which I ordered earlier and will start her on monday. Ugh, the joys of owning mares,,,,

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