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        10-12-2012, 10:20 AM
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    I think you need to discuss all options with your vet and get a full bloods done before you knock yourself about any more
    If you are in a Lymes area you should test her for it
    It totally changed my happy cheeky mare into a cranky unpredictable bad tempered one. A course of antibiotics and I had my girl back
    It will give arthritic type symptoms and cause a horse a huge amount of pain
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        10-12-2012, 12:10 PM
    Originally Posted by Cowgirls Boots    
    Today we put a chain over her nose (only thing she does listen to) and my boyfriend gave her a quick shank (nothing hard) even when she started leaning back. Well she flung herself backwards and reared up on us then dropped back down to the ground shaking.
    I think that this is probably a big part of the cause of the problem. Please, don't take it as an attack on you personally. It's perfectly natural though often difficult to admit that you're doing things to your horse out of fear. I can almost guarantee though that continuing along with practices like this will only add to your problems and maybe even fulfill those prophecies about getting hurt. It seems clear that you have a lot of fear and anxiety about handling this horse. It's like being stuck in some nightmare that you don't know how to get out of. You don't want to continue on what you're doing but maybe don't know what else to do?

    I don't know how to tell you what you should do, but I can tell you what I did when I was afraid. I used my fear to spur me on, to seek out the teachers and the knowledge that I needed to turn my uncertainty into certainty. As Buck Brannaman put it, fear is looking into the darkness and not seeing. For about a year and a half I constantly pored over DVDs, books, and went to clinics when I could so that I could get it all straight in my head and finally be able to approach any horse without fear and be effective. Somewhere along the way I realized that I was more effective when I was able to just drop my ideas of the horse's past and my worry about what was going to happen in the future, forget all that knowledge and just BE HERE NOW, and as soon as I did that the horses all got a lot better. That may not be real helpful right now, but you can think of it maybe as a 'signpost' a little farther up the road that points in the direction you'd want to go someday.

    For the moment, develop an insatiable hunger for knowledge. You can use your fear as a tool to give you that energy to learn and maybe even make this experience into an ultimate success. All depends on how bad you want it. Or alternately, you could just get rid of the mare. -Ian

    (wow that got long lol)
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        10-12-2012, 03:52 PM
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    I have anxiety because of these new issues. The chain thing I only used once and she was better....usually she's alot more dangerous without it. I'm stuck, the lymes test will have to wait because I literally have so many vet bills coming in the mail from her foot, arthritis, etc. I've had the vet out almost every month since I've moved so I'm going to need a bit to catch up on things.

    I was never afraid of this mare and im still not until she explodes out of nowhere. I do also suffer from pretty bad anxiety to begin with and it doesn't help especially when I need to wrap her hoof!

    & either way she is stuck with me for life. No one will ever want a one eyed arthritic cranky mare. And besides, I've made a promise with myself to keep her until her last days. I owe her anyway.
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        10-12-2012, 04:10 PM
        10-12-2012, 10:28 PM
    Originally Posted by Ian McDonald    
    Very good......
        10-12-2012, 10:36 PM
    Green Broke
    Today..again, no issues at all ....

    I am not afraid until she starts getting dangerous. I had no issues or anxiety today re wrapping her hoof because she was perfect..second day in a row. She will start to shift her weight as if she's going to lean back but I said 'ho' firmly and she went back to doing what she was doing.

    The thing though is that sometimes it's out of nowhere..she'll be good for awhile then randomly nope she's a nut.
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        10-14-2012, 05:32 PM
    Green Broke
    So after three days of being a perfect angel today she did it again and was not scared. I'm literally stuck on options with her.
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        10-17-2012, 11:44 AM
    This is a tough tough way to go. You have my sympathy.

    Is she on pain meds of any sort? I know all it does it mask a problem but if she is missing that much hoof she will be hurting. I had a OTTB mare that had abscessing problems from racing damage. So I know hoof wrapping all to well on an arthritic leg/hoof.

    Right now she maybe in too much pain to care what she does to you. And honestly the timing sounds coincidental. As white line like that takes time to appear and abscesses can be dorment for periods of time before causing havoc. She is buddy sour because she is seeking comfort/security/protection from her pal. When my mare was having an "episode" there were 4 horses in her group that would surround her when she would lie down for a bit (if she could walk no matter how lame she was she refused to stay indoors, trust me I tried stall rest more times that I can count).

    Try putting 4-5 diapers on that hoof, pad her up good to alieviate some pressure. Ask your vet for some sort of pain med if not on some already such as bute. If that is possibly too pricey crush 1 asprin per 100lbs of horse and give twice daily. It is proven everyone/thing heals better and faster when not in pain and being properly treated.

    Hope this helps some. As for her handling issues I would do some basic ground work right now. Avoid the shank or rope halters, last thing she needs is more pressures or pain. I agree with the regu-mate advice. Right now a large cotton lead would be best #1 for your hands #2 use sound over pain for "issues". You can "wack" a horse with a cotton rope and it not "hurt" its more a noise with an odd sensation. Cause as you are having to notice the hard shanking and handling is the only thing getting her attention. This will help you not feel so bad, trust me. I do not like doing such things but sometimes you just might have too. Horses can tune us out just like we tune things out. Ever been in bad pain? I have and I didnt give 2 road apples about what was going on around me to paying all that much attention.
        10-17-2012, 12:09 PM
    Green Broke
    She's on previcox for arthritis which the vet said will help with the pain being its almost the same as bute. She was fine again yesterday too. Being she's in pain and I feel like we're not getting anywhere with the boot, I may just have the vet out to dremel that part of her hoof out and have the farrier put on a corrective shoe. It's so hard because she has a deformed hoof that's clubby and she walks uneven on it so wears down only one side of her hoof which causes her to walk unevenly. Coincidentally it's the same hoof that chipped :(
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        10-17-2012, 12:23 PM
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    Previcox is much better and safer on the stomach than bute. I have my mare on it too. She got really bad ulcers from bute and naproxin that had to be treated
    I know people will disagree but a club foot is better with corrective shoeing
    If you can't afford the Lymes tests (if you are in a high risk area) would your vet consider prescribing a months course of antibiotics 'just in case'?

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