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post #31 of 58 Old 03-25-2013, 05:37 PM
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I have to disagree with you, Equitate. I have a "balky" horse, similar to the OP, and backing does NOT work on those. It did work on a previous horse I had, when he would refuse to cross a creek or something. That is VERY different. If you actually ASK a horse like the OP is talking about to back in this situation, it is more likely to go up. THis is why we need lots of "tools" to use, and have to pick the right one. This horse is naughty and needs a good smack on the a$$.
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post #32 of 58 Old 03-25-2013, 06:16 PM
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• Horses: 0 have to read what I said...when it is already backing up (as a resistance) continue the backing. But ASK WHY it chose to back out of the connection/rear/balk in the firstplace.

The reason most horses balk in the first place is that they are either in physcial pain, or the feel trapped by the aids.

From where the OP says horse is starting to put on the brakes, it is rather more likely it is the connection/requests. Sure there are times to use the whip (PROGRESSIVELY touch/vibrate/whack) but it must be timed. Horses are rarely 'naughty', they do what they can within the limits we set for them (for good or for bad)...even though we may not recognized what we are doing causes blockages. And once they learn a behavior we must change clearly. Sometimes a whack, but with a very calculated PLACEMENT and TIMING.
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post #33 of 58 Old 03-25-2013, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mollymay View Post
and climbing of to lunge him is doing NOTHING!
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Well "climbing" of to lunge him will of course not do anything! JUMPING of like you saw a monster and making him work (not what he usually does on the lunge - w/t/l) I mean really work and that as fast as you can! Mean your business and stop letting him get away with it! This might turn in a very dangerous situation very soon!
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post #34 of 58 Old 03-25-2013, 07:22 PM
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Besides being arena sour he wants to go back with the others.
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post #35 of 58 Old 03-25-2013, 07:26 PM
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If the refusing is not pain related, rider related (confusing the horse) or tack related, then a lot of times it is better to ride in different environment for awhile to give the horse a mental break. So many times focusing on an issue and drilling makes things worse. It often works to go on a few trail rides and get the horse doing different things. Then when you go back into the arena the horse has learned more and understands the cues better and the issue is resolved without even working on it directly.

It concerns me that the horse dragged his feet when being led. This sounds very much like the horse has bad feet or a sore back. It is more difficult to do smaller circles and arena work for a long time for a horse when they are out of shape. The horse sounds like he is either in pain or exhausted.

Also think hard before you decide you want to use backing as a punishment. I have seen several horses now that have been taught this way and they will begin backing rapidly when they are confused. This is unsafe when you are on a trail ride or riding with others because the horse can keep backing into other horses or toward a ditch. It is very difficult to stop a horse from backing. It often works better to turn the horse and circle instead, if you want to keep their feet moving. Just don't insist on it too much or you will have a horse that spins when confused instead.
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post #36 of 58 Old 03-25-2013, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gottatrot View Post
It concerns me that the horse dragged his feet when being led. This sounds very much like the horse has bad feet or a sore back. It is more difficult to do smaller circles and arena work for a long time for a horse when they are out of shape. The horse sounds like he is either in pain or exhausted.
Agreed, or very confused.
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post #37 of 58 Old 03-25-2013, 08:44 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks everyone again! So many different helpful tips- I'll try and respond to questions and I apologize if something doesn't make sense I've been using my phone to respond so I can't re-read what I wrote without deleting the message. Ok, I'll start with my spurs- I would love to ditch them! Except during his training he found it
exciting to walk me against the rail. He would pin my leg so I couldn't bump him- he is a very stubborn horse! My instructor taught me how to use spurs and when to use them. As time progressed I will admit they became a crutch for a few months, but now I use them only as an aide. I ONLY use them if I feel I need to. He occasionally becomes strong headed and bumping him with a spur is sometimes the best. I was in a discussion a while back with some of you about spurs, I'm just going to leave this area alone because I feel they are a great aide. Crops: simply- he FLIPS! Crops are not an aide he has taken to. He does all kinds of horrible things when I use a crop, and instead of doing what I want he simply freaks out. What else. . . Oh lunging prior to ride: that is something I had to do with my first horse when I was younger before riding because he always had loads of energy. Fast forward a ways, this with trigger was a way I felt it focused him, he is in a stall ALL day- which I disagree with, but moving him is not in the cards at this point. He has so much restless energy lunging him prior was just s
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Sorry stupid phone sent my message so here I'll continue:
Lunging him prior was just something I carried over from his beginning days of training.
Continue backing him: this idea I'm going to admit worries me because I have heard so many horror stories of people getting flipped onton from a tripped up horse. Also my instructor when he has done this around him the few times, always has me toss my weight forward, give him his mouth and bump. This works, but like I said not when I'm alone with him. I'm frustrated and don't want to be. Here's some things I'll take with me when I ride Wednesday: I will start in the arena alone without anyone else, I will try without my spurs(I will put them back on if I feel the need), I will not lunge him prior, and if he pitches a fit I will lunge him like mad. Now I will do my best to capture this portion on video so if he does act up you all can see what I might be doing wrong. :) as for using a crop I am going to think that over more.
Oh just remembered: feet dragging, his feet are fine I will have a vet check but it was totally him willing to walk with my friend but not respond to me, kinda like fighting himself, that's how I feel. And thanks again for putting up with my lengthy pays!
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Hmmm I would be inclined (and this is me, what I would do if it was me) is use the crop, I think he's freaking out not because he's scared, because he's having a big old tanty! I've seen horses balk on VERY good trainers, this example is of a stud who decided he was going to balk on his trainer in the middle of the arena and he got over and undered with a pair of split reins and that stubborn dink just stood there and let a huge crow hop fly every time she spanked him....she just sat deep and squared him one every time he wouldn't move forward of her leg....took about 6 huge crow hops and seven good spanks to get him over his tanty.....he never did it again.

Some people won't agree with this, but over thinking stuff like this can just cause more issues. If the horse knows how to move off your leg and go forward and is having a fit because he doesn't want to.....spank his behind, and keep squeezing and releasing and each time he ignores your leg, spank him soon as he moves out, quit riding and get off.
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post #40 of 58 Old 03-25-2013, 10:49 PM
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If horse behaves when trainer is around, then it is something you are doing. Has nothing to do with who feeds him, has to do with who is running the show. And it isn't you.

Horse is spoiled, and is only now confident enough to act up more. Getting another year older will do that.

And you should not have continued to ride him when he almost got you off the first time, but gone back to basics.

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