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post #11 of 37 Old 07-27-2010, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by shmurmer4 View Post
What type of skeletal issues can that device cause?
Me or Wild Spot?

If it's me it causes no skeletal issues...there is nothing to pull against the long lunge line just pulls through the blocker ring but because it's so long the horse doesn't actually get loose. If they have learned to get some sort of satisfaction from the pulling and sudden release it sort of takes away the enjoyment factor for them.
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post #12 of 37 Old 07-27-2010, 11:04 PM
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If it was directed at me I also want to add - That horse has been seen since by a chiropractor as well as a massage/accupuncturist and had no damage.

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Thanks for the advice everyone! After watching this horse hang her entire weight from her poll, I'm thinking the gunny sack looks definitely less painful~ I'll have to rig one up. Honestly when I saw her lying there (she went from wild thrashing to perfectly still, hanging all her weight on her head) I thought she had broken her neck and died, until I got close enough to see her breathing.
Despite the risk of injury, I tend to agree with the "let her fight it out" camp. I keep an eye on her as I do my yard/barn chores, and I will certainly cut her loose if there is no other option.
I personally prefer to groom/tack etc. with the horse ground tied, just because if a panic situation arose, I'd much rather have the horse free to not trample me repeatedly, and I will expect this new horse to ground tie, as I expect all my horses to. However, I'm not going to skirt the tying fast issue by only ground tying.
I worried that by cutting her loose when I did, I may have reinforced the idea that fighting the rope equals freedom, even though I promtly re-tied her.
Thanks again for all the suggestions!
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It may sound dangerous and sometimes it is but if I have one that throws themselves down and then just hang there, I don't cut the rope unless I have to. I will get a stick or a whip (not to beat them with, just something to lenghten my reach so I don't get hurt) and bump them on the rump until they fight back to their feet then leave them tied until they stand still for a few minutes before calling it a day. I know there are some people that will be thinking "OMG, she is evil. That is so cruel" and that is fine. Sometimes extreme problems require extreme solutions and that is something that has always worked for me.

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Same here Smrobs...of course, I retrain horses that have issues like that, or bucking, bolting, etc...sometimes, especially if the horse has just learnt that flipping out brings the response they want, making sure they don't get that response can make a huge difference. When a horse pulls like that, they HAVE learned that they can get free that way, whether it's because they bust their equipment or someone unties them. Put a neck rope on, or use an inner tube on part of the tie, and let the horse figure it out for himself. This is where having the high line can help a bit more, because he can circle and pull all he wants, but there's no fencing or posts for him to get caught on.

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You can also fix a dirty puller by laying a long (20 foot or so) thick rope across her back just behind her withers, then reach between the front legs and pull both ends up, run them through the halter and out below the chin. Tie this to the hitching post, snubbing post or tree, whatever you are using. When she backs up she's going to think she can go somewhere, but it will cinch over her back and she won't like it. Its not going to kill her.

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This is an article by Julie Goodnight and with all respect to people who suggested to "fight it through" I have to disagree. You can hurt (if not kill) the horse with it. Some will NEVER give up no matter what.

Julie Goodnight Natural Horsemanship / Horse Master TV Show

"When I was younger (and dumber) I was under the illusion that if panic pullers were trained right, they wouldn't pull. I was working on a TB breeding farm and one year we had a very nice yearling filly (the cream of that year's crop, a grand-daughter of Bold Ruler) that was a puller. By George, I was going to break her of that so I found a big fat rope, a strong halter and a strong post and tied her up. She fought and fought and then reared up, turned up side down and hung from the rope with her neck twisted and suspended in the air. I cut the rope and she lay there, stiff and unmoving, shaking all over, with her eyes rolled back in her head, and I could not get her up. I was sure she had broken her neck. As I looked out my office window at her, waiting for the vet to answer the phone and thinking how I was going to explain this one to the owner, she leapt to her feet, shook off, stuck her tail in the air, and took off at a full run! I considered this an inexpensive lesson and since that time I have accepted the fact that some horses will just never tie. "

I'm NOT saying it's a case for your horse, but it's a fact for some horses.
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^ She re-enforced to that horse that flipping over gets them untied. Of course that horse won't ever tie.

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I know a horse who does this as well but mostly he is shaking in his boots terrified when he is tied. We usually just wrap the rope around because we have tried to tie him and make him just pull, but it only made things worse. However, we have had another that settled down. They do have contraption things that undo when a horse pulls like that so they don't hurt themselves in the process of being a spaz.
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Originally Posted by draftrider View Post
You can also fix a dirty puller by laying a long (20 foot or so) thick rope across her back just behind her withers, then reach between the front legs and pull both ends up, run them through the halter and out below the chin. Tie this to the hitching post, snubbing post or tree, whatever you are using. When she backs up she's going to think she can go somewhere, but it will cinch over her back and she won't like it. Its not going to kill her.
My ex had an OTTB who wouldn't tie at all and used this method, you can tie her to ANYTHING now!

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