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    07-28-2010, 05:49 PM
Originally Posted by wild_spot    
^ She re-enforced to that horse that flipping over gets them untied. Of course that horse won't ever tie.
Sorry Wild spot-I think that MOST of us, put in the same situation would do the same thing. I for one will not stand there watching my horse haning there like she descibed, eyes rolled back, etc. I had one horse collapse like this (from a miracle collar, no less) and hope to NEVER see it again. If he never ties, so be it, if he is that bad. I don't tie all that often anyway, but that is just me. I ground tie. In other words-my horses "park" and quite well.
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    07-28-2010, 06:21 PM
^ Oh, I wasn't saying if it was the correct thing to do or not - it should have never gotten to that stage in the first place. But intended or not, it DID re-enforce that thrashing and throwing itself down got it untied.
    07-28-2010, 07:33 PM
^^ I am not so sure. Isn'T it entirely possibble that the horse was SO scared of the trouble it got into that it will never do that again? Not saying it will tie without issue, just not sure the horse would see that extreme as a good "out".
    07-28-2010, 07:56 PM
Horses think differently to us. They always learn from the release of pressure. When a horse is thrashing around, they are trying to get free of the rope that is trapping them. No matter how extreme. In their mind, it is a life or death situation. If they are released from a life or death situation, that is a success, and they will repeat the action that resulted in them being freed if it happens again.

They don't think in terms of consequences - 'Thrashing around made me uncomfortable'. They think in terms of cause and effect - 'Thrashing around got me out of that situation'.

The horse didn't 'get into trouble' it was, in it's mind, fighting for it's life. What you are looking for in a horse that is SO terrified of tying is a point where the brain kicks in through the terror, and they realise that they haven't died yet. The second they do that and relax, is when you untie them. The horse in that example was still in the 'fighting for it's life' state of mind.
    07-28-2010, 08:34 PM
I really liked that Julie Goodnight article.

The point of her article, however, was the difference between Panick Pullers and obstinate pullers. If you read the entire thing, she states that:

"But I do think the obstinate pullers can be rehabilitated with the above method."

Referring to the method of letting them fight it out. That, however, is not the point she was trying to get across with Panick Pullers, which she mentions several times that the filly was/is a panick puller. Which is why the fighting it out method did not work. She also mentions that the fight it out method should not be used for panick pullers because what triggers their pulling is completely different from eacother. I agree.
    07-28-2010, 08:56 PM
However, there are many other ways to deal with panic puller that involve showing them they can still move their feet and/or that the pressure isn't constant.
    07-28-2010, 09:10 PM
Correct. However, the horse we're talking about isn't a panick puller. Its an obstinate puller (by the sounds of the op's description) which is the point I was trying to make by my above post... The filly and the op's horse cannot be compaired because their reasons for pulling are entirely different. I was trying to inform the poster who posted that article, that Julie Goodnight does not condone the "Fight-it-out" method for obstinate pullers, she actually lists it as a method use as well as other methods and reasons as to why some methods that can be used for the obstinate puller cannot, should not, be used for the panick puller. And that another method should be used for the horse who pulls out of sheer panick.

Sorry I wasn't clear before. Long day and my body is in need of coffee. Oh, and if any of that makes sense, high-five!
    07-28-2010, 09:13 PM
Lol, no worries :]

I guess I am just saying I dont' really believe some horses will never tie. They may not tie solid, but tieing is a skill I think every horses needs to have to ensure it goes to a good home - No one wants a horse that can't tie!
    07-28-2010, 09:21 PM
Oh I totally agree! I don't believe that some horses may never tie either. I think that believing that is just a short way out of finding a method that actually works.

My mare, for instance, is a panick puller. You can leave her tied forever, however if she sees something that spooks her, even just a little, she goes into full out panick attack. And when she's done, she stands wide eyed and shaking, scared to death. The fight it out method doesn't work for her. I guess that goes to show how every horse is different. But I totally agree with you. I just didn't want you to think I was trying to argue with your logic haha. My mare ties, she just doesn't tie "solid" as you stated.

    07-28-2010, 09:26 PM
^ Latte is still learning her tieing lessons. We had a good moment yesterday - I had her lead wrapped one around a tree branch. She pulled and the rope gave a little but still had resistance - She pulled a fair way back but not far enough to get free and stopped. Very good moment. I reeled her back in and she didn't pull again.

I think she is also a panic puller - She is very sensitive and touchy and claustraphobic - When she feels trapped is when she pulls. Getting some slack back seems to be helping.

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