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post #31 of 37 Old 07-28-2010, 10:42 PM Thread Starter
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For some reason I couldn't open the link to the Julie Goodnight article. But, for sure, my horse is not a panic puller. She is nearly bombproof! But, she gets tired of being tied and wants to rejoin the herd, and proceeds to pitch a fit.
If she were honestly panicking, I would be adressing the panicking instead of the pulling. Definitely agree that they are two distinct issues, with different approaches to finding solutions.
Thankfully, she has not repeated the throwing herself down scenario, but I'm afraid she may, as she still pulls every time she's been tied for awhile.
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post #32 of 37 Old 07-28-2010, 10:47 PM Thread Starter
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Just got the JG article to open. . .I agree wholeheartedly that a panicking horse would only panic more. . .
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See the problem I have with Cricket is that after she has her panic attack, she doesn't want to go back to that spot. She's had so many pulling issues at the wash rack that she stops dead about six feet infront of the wash rack, eyes huge, and shakes. It scares her. It's our number one problem with the trailer too. She smashed her head in the trailer and had 25 stitches. She wont go near a trailer now.

She's getting much better at tying, however. She spooked the other day and threw her head up. She looked the way she does when she's about to go into a panic attack, but I said "Woah mare... Easy mare..." And she calmed back down. I was so proud of her.

Ah, Payette, looks like we posted at the same time! Glad you got the article to work and glad you got a chance to read it!

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This is an article by Julie Goodnight and with all respect to people who suggested to "fight it through" I have to disagree. You can hurt (if not kill) the horse with it. Some will NEVER give up no matter what.

Julie Goodnight Natural Horsemanship / Horse Master TV Show

since that time I have accepted the fact that some horses will just never tie. "

I'm NOT saying it's a case for your horse, but it's a fact for some horses.
I actually have little respect for Julie Goonight...if you are a natural horsemanship kind of person, she does not follow that sort of thinking very well; I've seen some of her episodes on RFD and was not thrilled at how she would deal with some of the horses issues...

And in response to killing the horse, a horse can kill himself running around the pasture, just as easily as he could being tied up. That is a weak generalization, as we all know how 'fragile' horses are in general. There are ways to help a horse figure out the tying thing, without having him go through the extreme of sitting down on his rear, but sometimes THEY choose that, not us...my mare sat down one day on the lead, and I still am not sure why, she just spooked and pulled back...of course she couldn't get very far, and as I only had her lead wrapped around the fence vs tied, she didn't really get jerked too badly, as the lead let some tension out. Horses are fight or flight animals, and even a horse who normally ties really well (like my mare does), something can spook him and there is nothing you can do about it, save for get out of the way.


And I respectfully respond to the remark that points out that a horse will never tie, that if you can't figure out a way to actually teach the horse to tie, then you need to place the horse in a home where the people do have the time and patience to get it done correctly. Having a horse that ties well is essential for so many reasons, and I think we do a dis-service to him if we can't help him over that fear/impatience about being tied. Whether that means starting with teaching the horse to 'solidly' ground tie, and working from there, using the blocker tie ring, and going from there, or using a neck rope, or belly rope and going from there. I DO NOT believe that there is any horse out there that can not be taught something as simple as being tied. I've worked with too many messed up horses who wound up turning into great horses, to believe otherwise. Again, I disagree with you and her respectfully.

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However, there are many other ways to deal with panic puller that involve showing them they can still move their feet and/or that the pressure isn't constant.
WS, of course there are release rings (whatever the name is) and such. But my point was mainly you can't tie panic puller tight no matter how "safe" you do it. It'll NEVER stop fighting, which is pretty unfortunate.

And yes, I agree with Julie, some horses just don't tie because they can get away with it. And that's completely different situation.

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I DO NOT believe that there is any horse out there that can not be taught something as simple as being tied.
Whether you believe it or not there are horses out there. I run into couple neither of respected trainers in my area could do about. You can still tie them, but if something happen and there is no release to the lead they'll kill themself no kidding.
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Whether you believe it or not there are horses out there. I run into couple neither of respected trainers in my area could do about. You can still tie them, but if something happen and there is no release to the lead they'll kill themself no kidding.
Again, all I've worked with are 'problem horses' and have for over 15 years, and I have yet to encounter one that can not be taught how to tie well...it may take longer for some, but I think it can be done, just based on the experience I have had. And yes, some of those have been 'panick' pullers.

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