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    10-11-2008, 11:27 PM
  #1
Weanling
Red face Horse is really strong..bit maybe?

My horse goes rele strong. He listens and is easy to steer when we first start, but after we canter once, all he wants to do is run. Maybe it was because he had A LOT of energy today, ill update tomorrow, but im not sure . I feel like I need to help his concentration. ANy tips? He's an OTSTB. I've only had him since may but he's come so far, jumping three feet, and learning to canter. Im very proud, I just need some advice...
He goes in a thick and heavy, jointed pellham. Very mild with curb. So idk, its the best he's gone in so far I think. The curb gets his attention when I need it, I rarely use it, I use all the snaffle action, but idk.
Anyone ever retrained a standardbred?
     
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    10-12-2008, 07:48 PM
  #2
Weanling
This is a common problem. Many horses love to run and get very "up" once they start running.

Does this happen on trail or in the ring (or both)?

Bits can often provide a temporary fix. However, a horse can get used to just about anything. Once the "power factor" of a bit wears off, you are right back where you started.

I don't have any experience with OTT horses, but I have worked with horses that love to "go go go!". I have found a few things that help.

One tip is speed control. Do lots of work at the trot, varying speed. Do a slow western pleasure type jog, to a fast trot and back to a medium speed trot. Work on refining the cues and randomly speeding up and slowing down. They need to have it good at the walk and trot before you work at the lope.

Once you have good speed control at the slower gaits, go to a lope. Get a nice, slow relaxed jog and then let him lope a _small_ amount. Then immediately go back to working at the trot and walk. Do NOT allow him back to the lope until you have him completely calmed down and responsive (soft and relaxed). At first, you should only do a few small lope sessions. You can work up to longer more frequent sessions. If he is still up after the small lope, make him work. This will not only dissipate energy, it will also get his mind back on you (instead of running). Do not "work" in a mindless circle around the ring. Do serpentines, turn barrels, do random turns... you don't want him thinking for himself - you want him focusing on YOU to see where/what YOU are doing to do next. You not only need to work his body, you also need to work his mind.
     
    10-12-2008, 08:11 PM
  #3
Green Broke
I'd probably leave out the jumping and focus on building a good foundation - bits are just a temporary fix

I see lots and lots of cantering in your future....lots and lots and lots and lots of cantering
     
    10-12-2008, 08:45 PM
  #4
Weanling
Do you do Walk-Trot-Canter, rest, turn around and do it over again?

I have an OTTB, and he had/has [sometimes] the same problem. If he wants to canter, make him trot. If he picks up the canter, pull him back down to the trot. Also, if you are, don't do the walk-trot-canter thing, mix it up. If it's bad enough, when he picks up the canter, pull him into a tight circle.

Hope that isn't too scatter-brained. >.< I've been through it, but we've done so much to fix it that I can hardly remember it all.
     
    10-12-2008, 09:58 PM
  #5
Green Broke
What is he eating, hay, grain, supplements? (exactly what and how much) How much turn out does he get? How often do you ride? Are you taking lessons?

Once you answer those, I can give you better advice .
     
    10-14-2008, 01:32 PM
  #6
Weanling
He eats grain and hay. Just basic grain and not a lot because he chokes, so I have to put him on a mussle to eat or he chokes =(. But he's not on anything crazy, and he doesnt have insane energy, just wants to run, no bucking or anything
     
    10-18-2008, 02:21 PM
  #7
Green Broke
What kind of grain? Sweet feed? Feed pellets? Dry COB? 14%? 12%? How much?

What KIND of hay? Bermuda, Alfalfa, Timothy, Alfalfa/Grass mixed? And How MUCH hay?

You never answered how much turn out time he gets.

If he chokes, put BIG rocks in his bucket to slow him down (no muzzle). It works like a charm .
     
    10-19-2008, 11:43 PM
  #8
Weanling
He lives outside so turnout time is basically all hours of day light. He lives in a giant grass pasture with 4 other horses and he has plenty of time to burn energy and he has all access to grass..

He gets ridden about 3 times a week. I can only get to the barn so much at the moment. But its about an hour each time. I want to increase it to about 1 and a half hourse now tho since the winter is kicking in I think its a good time fo rhim to really develope the basics before he gets complex with jumping and etc in the spring

HIs grain is about to get doubled for winter since he's looking a tad skinnu lately

Lol he gets feed pellets I believe. And about 1/3 of a bale per meal. Moring and night.

But this really isnt an energy problem we're talking about. I know my horse, he's not just throwing energy, but he's honestly getting confused I believe. He Will listen when I have his attention but I feel like maybe he's confusing my aids or something. I know he feels his bit well and works in it well, most days he does wonderfully, light contact all throughout and he's very responsive


He's been soooo much better this last week, but still any tips are still welcome
     
    10-19-2008, 11:53 PM
  #9
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Originally Posted by equineangel91    
My horse goes rele strong. He listens and is easy to steer when we first start, but after we canter once, all he wants to do is run. Maybe it was because he had A LOT of energy today, ill update tomorrow, but im not sure . I feel like I need to help his concentration. ANy tips? He's an OTSTB. I've only had him since may but he's come so far, jumping three feet, and learning to canter. Im very proud, I just need some advice...
He goes in a thick and heavy, jointed pellham. Very mild with curb. So idk, its the best he's gone in so far I think. The curb gets his attention when I need it, I rarely use it, I use all the snaffle action, but idk.
Anyone ever retrained a standardbred?
Standardbreds are taught NEVER to canter (although they may in the paddock) so now you have a horse that is very comfortable in the trot and can easily balance himself in that gait as he is used to it.

The canter however is foreign to him and you have also added jumping so yes he is going to rush in a gait he is unbalanced in. He has little strength and muscling developed to handle not only the gait but carrying weight ( rider) as well. He needs short efforts at canter and back to trot. He needs lunging at the canter ( as well as trot) to build up muscling.

He does not need to be doing jumping yet for he hasn't developed the basic gait (canter) used in this exercise.
     
    10-20-2008, 05:03 AM
  #10
Yearling
Heya!
It's a shame to hear that Yankee Dusty is rushing still and you've had some really good advice so far!
The thing is, like everyone said, a bit is a temporary fix.... you changed to the pelham from the full cheek snaffle, because you felt he was a bit strong and someone said above that once the power of the bit wears off it's going to become a problem again. I really don't think the pelham is helping you at all... I once had a mate who rode her horse in the pelham... for the same reason... and this problem was the main one she had... she found that if she corrected it by stopping the running, she was able to switch back to an eggbutt snaffle and have no rushing and still the same amount of control.

I think you need to do LOTS of tempo playing... vary up the speed of the trot, like uhh I think it was tazmanian devil said... and remember to half halt! Loads of half halts are handy with a speeding SB... believe me, I know!

I too would cut the jumping out... if he's running off and you're struggling to pull him back and get him into a comfortable zone, I'd hate to think how hard he's going to be whilst in the air! I know he's a good boy and that you're really enjoying the jumping with him... but I think it's still time to slow down...

My mate said to me once something she had learnt - A good walk leads to a good trot, and a good trot leads to a good canter. Yes he's being awesome and cantering! But maybe it's time that now he's got his basics, to bring it all back to the walk and supple him up. Most people forget how important the walk is... Like I've been telling ya what I've been doing with Evo, make a point of doing lots and lots of exercises to help him balance up and supple... do LOADS of walking... and then once you feel that he's going so much better, go into the trot and repeat the exercises. Make sure you aim for that nice, happy working trot... and not accept running off. If he does run off, bring him right back to whatever speed you were working at and carry on with it. He needs to learn that rushing is bad, and only going to unbalance things.

Good luck... I really like hearing about you both... it's nice to find another person out there with a SB who is experiencing some of the things I have or had previously, and being able to try and help.
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