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post #11 of 16 Old 06-14-2011, 03:02 AM
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So I have a question, apologies for being a douche in advance. But to me this is a newish horse owner, or an owner that has just had great horses previously.

So now he/she is being told to move the horse on, and whack it on the butt or stomach? Well what is going to happen when this disrespectful horse takes off? Maybe it will take off in a circle and pull the lead rope out from her(his) hands, maybe it will make a rope burn in the palm? But more likely the horse is going to take off in a straight line, and pull the lead rope out of the owners hands.

I don't doubt the advise that has been given here, but you need to do whatever you need to do and bring the herd in first then take the horse to a round pen or small working area to use the advise given.
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post #12 of 16 Old 06-14-2011, 03:15 AM
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I agree that he's not seeing you as "in charge" and is taking advantage of that. However, how you approach it depends on the horse's personality. If he's already angry (which is sounds like he is), smacking him with the lead rope is going to just make him even more angry (at least in my experience that's what happens). You could try what I do with my 2yo draft colt. If he refuses to go forward, I force him to back up until he agrees to move forward. The tapping/whacking on the butt with the lead rope didn't work with him (he side-steps away from it and gets mad). Shanking him doesn't phase him one whit (worked on my somewhat flighty arab/saddlebred gelding, but not the unflappable draft colt). So, we back up until he decides to stop being bull-headed. Generally speaking, it only takes anywhere from half a dozen to a dozen steps for him to get the point. It make take more or less for your horse to get the point. So, if the smacking doesn't work, the backing up is something else to try.

Just so you don't think this is just my horse that it works on, my friend has a 15yo arab mare that can be "wrong-headed" sometimes and not want to go forward. She backs her up until she gives in (doesn't fight the hackamore if she's riding or doesn't fight the backing up if she's leading) and then makes her do whatever it was they were going to do.

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Personally, I don't like to hit the stomach - it's a more vulnerable area, and really doesn't give a cue other than "I want to surprise you." Posted via Mobile Device
Have you watched horses argue in the pasture? Any kick from a 1000 pound horse is going to impact a heck of a lot more than a 'hit' from a human being.
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I think you have gotten some really good advice here. I would personally take a lunge line instead of a lead rope out with me. When he plants his feet, drive him into a lunge...a WORKING lunge. Let him do that for a few minutes and then ask again to walk forward. If he doesn't, LUNGE! Soon enough, he will learn that disobeying simple commands means work. Following along is easy, lunging is HARD! Good luck!
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post #15 of 16 Old 06-14-2011, 03:28 PM
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Personally I think go out to the pasture, put a lunge line on him and work him for 20 minutes. Don't even ask him to leave the pasture. Then call him to you with lunge line attached and walk away with him towards the barn. If he puts the brakes on walk away, let out the line and work him some more. Repeat until he is ready to follow you willingly. I don't think it is necessary to punish him with a smack unless he is doing something that threatens you. You said he has a kind and willing personality in the arena so maybe some work outside is all he needs. I also don't see any point in inflaming the situation more than necessary.
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post #16 of 16 Old 06-14-2011, 03:32 PM
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Another one who says do what Smrobs said.

Wear glove in case the horse lunges forward when you smack it so you do not lose your grip on your rope and get rope burns.
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