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post #11 of 242 Old 10-17-2011, 03:00 AM
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Just went and checked out his YouTube page and watched a few others. This guy is a nut job. His videos on how to start a young horse are TERRIBLE advice. He pretty much tells you to start laying on the horses back and practice jumping like you're mounting it. Sounds safe, right? Because unbroken young horses never do anything dangerous when you do that, right?? There is nothing about ground work and respect training, which shows in the way his horse tries to pull a blanket out of his hand, moves its hindquarters INTO him and is generally pushy and nosey. Plus his response to some honest comments from people are RUDE, MEAN and IMMATURE. If you can't take criticism, then you sure as hell shouldnt be giving it! He slams dressage, polo, barrel racing, reining, jumping and racing. Granted there are people in these disciplines that may use cruel methods, but those are the MINORITY. A good, honest horseman has their horses respect and rides with respect in regards to the horse. End of story. His online rants make him look like an idiot.
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post #12 of 242 Old 10-17-2011, 04:00 AM
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Hey. I've seen some of those monkeys that can ride pretty well. Vick's vapor rub under the tails of gaited horses. Sawed in half golf balls under the pads of walking horses. Cosmetic surgery performed on the eyes of arabian horses. Arsenic in feed to make the horse look fat and shiny. Shooting the horse up with all kinds of drugs to enhance performance, tranquilize them or mask pain. Most of us do not resort to those disgusting tactics but they have all been used in the show environment.
Here are some the things that we do. Shortening a horse's useful life by jumping it repeatedly over almost impossible jumps. Sliding stops, spins, roll backs. Gymkhana. We exploit the horse as soon as we place it in an unnatural environment and get on it's back. The questions are how far is a person willing to go in the exploitation of their horse and for what purpose? Too often, especially in the show ring people are feeding their egos to the detriment of their horses. It's a matter of values and ethics. When winning becomes too important it's time to quit.
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post #13 of 242 Old 10-17-2011, 02:30 PM
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I agree with you Eliduc! There are all kinds of nasty methods to make horses look, act or seem like they enjoy their job or preform better. It seems like all we hear about is the bad in shows, or those people who push their horse's health and well being to the brink to win. Once your horse's health becomes secondary to a ribbon or a little bit of cash, it's time to step back or quit. While I may not agree with Rick Gore's methods or training techniques (and I'm sure there are those who don't approve of the trainer's I like), I DO agree with his anger towards these creul methods of training. It needs to stop, and until the horse community is willing to have a zero tolerance policy against such things as a whole, they will continue to happen.
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post #14 of 242 Old 10-17-2011, 04:03 PM
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I've only been in 4 horse shows, i won high point in 3 of them, and i have never EVER done any other that to any of my horses. I'm not saying i'm the best rider in the world, i know i'm not, and i know i have a lot to learn, but you dont have to be cruel to be good, just because HE sucks doesn't mean other horseman are only successful because they are cruel...
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post #15 of 242 Old 10-17-2011, 05:16 PM
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This guy can't even get his terminology correct. When was the last time you seen your horse "wag his tail"? Dog, yes. Horse, no.

I consider myself lucky to have had my living either cowboying or working for a trainer. I was extremely lucky to work for a trainer who is a world champion in the AQHA, NRCHA or and has won the Magnificent 7 and is contender in the Worlds Greatest Horseman. As far as reining and cowhorses these practices were never used. Anymore if you have to resort to gimmicks your not going to make it as a top showman or trainer. I learned from going to these shows with these trainers is that they respect each other and like to learn from each other. There has been several times that the same guys they will be competing against in the next show will stop by with a trailer load of horses and they will all ride together and offer advice on each others horses to help improve them.(None of the advice offered had anything to do with barbwire on a pivot foot.)

Then onto bucking horses, my husband worked for a rodeo company. He was a pick up man and trained the baby bulls and horses. They do not shock these horses or bulls to make them buck! Just like show horses bucking stock is a huge investment and they are bred to buck!!!

This guy is very close minded. He will never be a good horseman for this reason. That's why I think these forums are great, everyone one has different backgrounds and you can learn a little something from everybody! And if you have knowledge, why not share it to help someone else?
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post #16 of 242 Old 10-18-2011, 11:41 AM
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unethical trainers

Yes, that's right. Dogs wag and horses swish. I bought an oil painting when I was at Mule Days in Bishop, California. It was of a horse and cowboy cutting a cow. I had it up over my mantle for years but something about it never did look quite right. Then one day a friend looked at it and said, "that horse has a cow's tail." Danged if he wasn't right. I jerked that painting down so fast. I don't remember what ever happened to it; probably a yard sale. There will always be so called trainers who resort to gimmicks. They are the ones that can't make it honestly or have a horse that isn't quite up to par. The really great ones don't have to resort to gimmicking. The great ones are in the minority or they wouldn't be so great. That's not to say that most trainers are not ethical but there are always a few bad apples spoiling the barrel. One thing I have seen time and again is barns overcrowded with horses in training that seldom get taken out of their stalls. People spend big money on a big name trainer who is only interested in the horses that will make him look good and that he can win on. The others languish. There are other unethical practices too, like overcharging the client on the farrier bill or vet bill or for work that wasn't even performed. People really need to monitor their horses when they send them out to make sure they are being properly trained and cared for and that they are getting what they pay for. A friend was given a free horse that supposedly had three months training. The horse is a six year old and has never been touched.
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post #17 of 242 Old 10-18-2011, 12:15 PM
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The last show I attended, about 3 yrs ago, the judge did nothing when a gal in a trail class began yanking her horse's mouth because it wouldn't sidepass over a thin log. 3 yard yanks, When I showed years ago I'd have been excused if I'd done that. At the same show, outside the ring, a gal was yanking her horse to back then spurring it forward. About the 6th time I was about to say something when one of the club executive asked me not to make waves. I didn't, but those two incidents really soured me on going to shows.
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post #18 of 242 Old 10-18-2011, 08:13 PM
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I just ran into this on my facebook a few days back, he isn't "completely" off his rocker. How true this particular thing is I am not sure, just jumped to mind when I read the nonchalant mocking of this guys video as these things do happen.

This was shot at the IALHA Sat. p.m. When brought to the show manager's attention, she said she had been in touch with the club, but would let the horse continue under these conditions as it was a non regular class (exhibition). Perhaps this is not in the best interest of the horse. Let the IALHA (International Andalusian Lusitano Horse Association) what you think.

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New Image - I saw that picture too the other day.

I'm wondering if the rowel area is on the side of those? I can't see what kind of spur it actually is. If they can do it with those tiny little english nub spurs (I have no technical term, excuse my terminology) then imagine what they can do with those big western spurrs O.O

I've seen "Bumper spurs" that have a series of sharp rowels along the side. I like bumper purs when they are just that: Bumpers.

Like these

But not these

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #20 of 242 Old 10-18-2011, 09:17 PM
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Wow the pic with the horse and the spurs.. Disgusting!
I barely barely wear spurs, and when I do, I make sure to never jam em or even try to push them against the horse unless my other cues don't work :0

Can't believe they let the horse still compete :C
(Can't believe even more if someone is that careless. If I was THAT person, I'd bow my head in shame and never wear spurs again!)
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