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        04-28-2013, 09:24 PM
      #41
    Weanling
    With me, im way to soft, if miover doesnt turn out to be a perfect horse for other ppl that's okay as he's perfect for me, he will never be showing, as im not interested in showing

    I enjoy horses with personality, im not a fan of robots that never put a foot wrong, I love quirkiness that will bring somthing different each ride.

    I may be beginner on advanced horse, but for me, that's great as my confidence will be boosted alot quicker then on a horse that doesnt put a foot wrong, if I was to learn on a beginner horse, become good, ill be back to a beginner when I go up a step to a more forward moving horse.

    I am very honest and open and willing to take advice, and I happily apply them, if no one has seen them, and miover has improved greatley and I think I have aswel, maybe no one else sees that lol but I feel I have.

    Id be happy to carry no whip while lunging would make holding the longe alot easier, I attemtped it yesterday, and for my own saftey I need that aid as miover went back to pinning ears and comming at me, he knew with me having no aid he'd have it all over me, I got the whip and he went very well
         
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        04-28-2013, 09:24 PM
      #42
    Green Broke
    TBforever, did you read the comments posted on this thread? It has been stated several times that this woman was pointlessly hitting her horse with the whip without giving him any release or reward. Thee is a BIG DIFFERENCE in correcting a horse and chasing it around smacking it with a whip. This horse has no idea what's right or wrong, because she is beating on him no matter what he's doing, he can't do what she asks because he doesn't understand.

    If that is how your "2nd trainer" trains, then she is not someone I would emulate. I suspect though, that she is correcting when they need it, and releasing pressure when they are doing what she asks. Maybe your eye is not trained enough to see the difference, in which case, yes, this thread should be something you could learn from.

    ETA, when the woman first hit him with the whip in the very first video, he was not being threatening, or misbehaving at all, he was nervous about a puddle that he had never seen and had not been given the chance to look at and she still hit him. Do you think that is justified? I certainly don't.
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        04-28-2013, 09:24 PM
      #43
    Green Broke
    Rough is one thing but just **** confusing is another. That was confusing!!
         
        04-28-2013, 09:27 PM
      #44
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Sereno    
    I'm not sure if this will help or belongs here. Have you tried "sending your horse out"?

    My stallion was screwed up by the best trainers... and would charge, rear and HE wanted to be the ALPA horse. I was new and He wanted to run things. Very common with herd animals, stallion and mare. Establish the pecking order.

    In a small coral we walk around each other. My hat up so we are eye to eye and I DO NOT take my eyes off him. I'm twirling a long lead but NOT to threaten. We walk around the coral. At some point I lower my hat so we have NO eye contact. He comes forward... I let the lead out in a rolling action toward him. He leaves. He comes back and I do it again. This is not hitting, it is a rolling rope action. I walk toward him and continue doing this.... NO EYE CONTACT.

    After about an hour. I go to the end of the coral and stand still with hands and rope lowered. I raise my hat and look him in the eye.

    He walks over and lowers his head and we have now established who is the boss of this herd. I had to do this a couple of other times but it worked for us and only after that could we work together to where we are today.

    I've only seen this done 2 other times since with the same results and was glad that someone told me to try it.

    Anyone else do this?
    wowies good on you! Very brave to work with a stallion, we have a shetland stallion next door, everytime you walk past he pokes his head out to bite lol, altho its just playing, you can pat him on head before he goes to nibble you again
         
        04-28-2013, 09:34 PM
      #45
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by apachiedragon    
    TBforever, did you read the comments posted on this thread? It has been stated several times that this woman was pointlessly hitting her horse with the whip without giving him any release or reward. Thee is a BIG DIFFERENCE in correcting a horse and chasing it around smacking it with a whip. This horse has no idea what's right or wrong, because she is beating on him no matter what he's doing, he can't do what she asks because he doesn't understand.

    If that is how your "2nd trainer" trains, then she is not someone I would emulate. I suspect though, that she is correcting when they need it, and releasing pressure when they are doing what she asks. Maybe your eye is not trained enough to see the difference, in which case, yes, this thread should be something you could learn from.

    ETA, when the woman first hit him with the whip in the very first video, he was not being threatening, or misbehaving at all, he was nervous about a puddle that he had never seen and had not been given the chance to look at and she still hit him. Do you think that is justified? I certainly don't.
    ohhh yes she only corrects when warrented she doesnt just do it for the sake of control, but she also praises when done good thru release,

    In first video I couldnt see her hit him, except when horse did the jump from it

    Ahaha I did notice she wasnt incontrol when she lead him, which I corrected myself when leading miover I did exact same thing, I do aggree with her training tactics are not perfect,and I can see myself thru them (not the whipping part), thru leading them into the longe, I very rarley whip, even tho he has pinned ears I usually just walk towards him and he somtimes turns away

    Altho I found funny when leading the horse out of pasture all the horses were looking as if...oh noooooo going to that pit LOL

    There is a girl on fb I forget the name but does hard training, and she beats them for control she admits it. Which is tottally wrong
         
        04-28-2013, 09:36 PM
      #46
    Weanling
    But I know from when I have whipped miover on butt, not hard, it leaves a mark
         
        04-28-2013, 10:10 PM
      #47
    Weanling
    Wow! I just watched bits and pieces of the videos, but that first round pen video was probably the most erratic and inconsistent round pen work I have ever seen. Not only because of slapping the whip every where even when the horse was already moving, but her body language was completely off. I couldn't believe she was turning in circles in the opposite direction of the horse. I don't know how that horse would ever know what she wanted because I sure didn't.
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        04-28-2013, 10:16 PM
      #48
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    wowies good on you! Very brave to work with a stallion, we have a shetland stallion next door, everytime you walk past he pokes his head out to bite lol, altho its just playing
    TBFOREVER You think a stallion trying to "nibble" you is just playing? Boy one day you will have a RUDE awakening with a horse that's "just playing with you"

    Does it seem like the horse is in pain to anybody else while he is being ridding? His tail is always off to the side
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        04-28-2013, 10:27 PM
      #49
    Weanling
    To me aggressive bite would be ears pin and aim for you, miover has full on charged at me with teeth and ripped sleave cuff off, the shetland is more habbit then aggression, if you stand out of the fence line, and shetland is there he will try nibble ur pants to me that's not aggression or aggressive mannor
         
        04-28-2013, 10:28 PM
      #50
    Foal
    My jaw dropped when she said "I'm getting dizzy goin in circles" that told me she had no experience and this seemed to be one big experiment. Did this guy pay these people to train his horse? Or did they just see An unbroke Arabian for sale and say "he's so pretty I want one, how hard can it be to train a horse?"
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