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post #51 of 68 Old 04-28-2013, 10:55 PM
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i dont mind other people utube's being posted, but i dont put ones up that may cause arguments, and clearly putting down the person

maybe a tad more contructive like what not to do

my 2nd trainer is alot harsher then this, u know what she said? there was an advert for free 11 yr old tb she said...i can take that to the dog pit and get 200$

she also works in racing carreer so its all money, she is a fantastic trainer, is rough but good, she will not take sh*t from an ottb,and she will whip their asses if they dont do whats asked, but she also praises she doesnt whip just cos she can,, she will whip when the horse is being clearly disobedient, ive seen the outcomes of the ottb's shes re trained and they are good, she worked with miover after comming off tracks as shes ridden him on tracks and he was an a$$, but he was wrecked when other ppl wanted him being a hack to quick and never released when he done whats right, hence why im now having issues with him
shes a rough, but great trainer. but i chose my 1st trainer for helping for a softer approach cos thats what works for me, it may take longer with him, but thats okay, im in no rush, and i dont want miover to be rushed anymore,

2nd trainer said miover would be perfect for me, as i dont ask much, im not rough with head being down on the bit.
2nd trainer loves horses but she wont tollerate ill mannored horses.
but she also says, 1 hard crack with whip is better then many little ones.
miover loads on float really well, best of the bunch, simply because she made him very uncomfortable on ground and made being in float comfortable, but she got him first go and ever since no issues

ive seen rough, but with great outcomes, to me these vids are not rough, maybe the whip to face was abit out there, and will lead to head shy, but other then that they are not all bad, i didnt watch them all as i got bored watching just circles whole time lol
TB, If I remember correctly from your video your horse walks over the top of you. Your horse NEEDS a smack in the ass because it has been allowed and simply building to where it is. He has got to the point of being aggressive from being allowed simple things, for example nibbling like the pony stallion you talk about who you think is non-offensive. THAT is the problem.
The horse in the video posted in the OP has no idea why he is being smacked. There was no behavior warrenting the smack where simple body language would do. He honestly is trying to figure out what she wants but does not allow it.
Big difference.
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post #52 of 68 Old 04-28-2013, 11:01 PM
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Tblover, please don't take critique of this video as critique of you or your situation. They are different.

There is a time and a place for "firmness" with a hrose. My trainer says don't be mad, be "firm". I have made all kinds of mistakes with lunging and round penning. But, I learned from them and am still learning. I really am so grateful to have had the influence of a good teacher. she has helped open my eyes and totally changed the way I view horses. But, it's been a journey. Each one of us here is either nearer or farther along the line of growth in horsemanship. But, the one who stops listening and asking stops progressing.

I have never heard of the kind of stare down described with that stallion. I find that intriguieing. I wish I could see that happen, might be something to learn there.
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TB, If I remember correctly from your video your horse walks over the top of you. Your horse NEEDS a smack in the ass because it has been allowed and simply building to where it is. He has got to the point of being aggressive from being allowed simple things, for example nibbling like the pony stallion you talk about who you think is non-offensive. THAT is the problem.
The horse in the video posted in the OP has no idea why he is being smacked. There was no behavior warrenting the smack where simple body language would do. He honestly is trying to figure out what she wants but does not allow it.
Big difference.

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I could point out MANY things I think she did wrong... But I'm just going to say what I think everyone will agree on...
1. There's a reason the horse was kicking out near her.... He was warning her to stop.
2. He almost ran over top of her a few times and she did not see it
3. She paid WAY too much attention to the camera and cameraman...

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okay, i just didnt want ppl to think i abuse miover because ive popped him on the butt,

because of my softness has lead to habits which im slowley understanding, and finding thru discapline when its warrented that its helping, establishing the bounderies between me and miover, as he is probably confused on what im trying to get him to do,
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okay, i just didnt want ppl to think i abuse miover because ive popped him on the butt,

because of my softness has lead to habits which im slowley understanding, and finding thru discapline when its warrented that its helping, establishing the bounderies between me and miover, as he is probably confused on what im trying to get him to do,
You are learning, and improving your skills. For that, I commend you.
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You are learning, and improving your skills. For that, I commend you.
thankyou:) im finding ground work is harder then riding hehehe
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Ain't that the truth!
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okay, i just didnt want ppl to think i abuse miover because ive popped him on the butt,

because of my softness has lead to habits which im slowley understanding, and finding thru discapline when its warrented that its helping, establishing the bounderies between me and miover, as he is probably confused on what im trying to get him to do,

No one is going to think you are abusing him if he is making a move on you.
Your situation and the gal and horse posted in this thread is completely different. Folks that know enough will know the difference,
And you making that statement speaks volumes as far as you understanding and heading in the right direction for getting your horse to respond to you properly because you require it of him. And requiring it does not equal abuse but rather setting boundries and enforcing. TB i wish you the best of luck :)
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ground work is a total different ball game lol
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