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        04-28-2013, 10:47 PM
      #61
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by TBforever    
    okay, I just didnt want ppl to think I abuse miover because I've popped him on the butt,

    Because of my softness has lead to habits which im slowley understanding, and finding thru discapline when its warrented that its helping, establishing the bounderies between me and miover, as he is probably confused on what im trying to get him to do,

    OH, no way!! Totally a different situation. If they ask for it certainly give it to them!! I am glad you cleared that up. I was starting to worry. Lol.
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        04-28-2013, 10:54 PM
      #62
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by nvr2many    
    OH, no way!! Totally a different situation. If they ask for it certainly give it to them!! I am glad you cleared that up. I was starting to worry. Lol.

    Oh jeez! Im glad I cleared it up to LOL when I first got miover, id have a habit saying sorry after dicaplining, or id say good boy when he hasnt done whats asked which I still have bad habit of, and I have to really think and not get destracted myself and really think about what I am going to say,

    I find in my head repeating he's NOT A DOG he's NOT A DOG he's NOT A DOG lol
         
        04-28-2013, 11:07 PM
      #63
    Weanling
    And I don't think miover would be as tollerable as the horse in op's post, if I was contantly whipping his butt he may just retaliate with the sh*ts
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        04-29-2013, 05:50 AM
      #64
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by SlideStop    

    Man, I hope he kicks her teeth out one day.
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    Originally Posted by Samstead    
    ....I hope that horse kicks her head in...I'm not a violent person, but when it comes to animals, mistreat them and you will NEVER have my respect and my respect is easy thing to earn and a hard thing to lose
    Though this woman's training methods are harsh and callous toward the horse, wishing bodily harm upon another person makes you the same as the person you are criticizing.
         
        04-29-2013, 08:37 AM
      #65
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    Originally Posted by Canterklutz    
    Though this woman's training methods are harsh and callous toward the horse, wishing bodily harm upon another person makes you the same as the person you are criticizing.
    I did post this out of anger, originally, but there is a lot to learn about technique and communication. I wish I would have gotten past the shock stage first and really directed it towards something constructive. So evening I'm learning a lesson, even if its not about horse training. Think with your head, not with your heart.

    That being said I don't find it callous of me to wish the horse was able to treat the woman as she treats him. Treat others the way you want to be treated. I'm sure I wasn't the only one to think something like that.
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        04-29-2013, 03:01 PM
      #66
    Foal
    TBforever

    I cannot speak for anyone but myself. What I think is so upsetting in this video and wrong in any situation where one is dealing with another species is that:
    This horse is in a state of panick. He kicks out at her because he is fearing for his life. He is terrified. He screams terror with his facial expressions and body movement. That is what I see.

    He does not feel anything but fear about that woman. She is not interacting with him at all. Her focus is in and out with him. She is mostly talking to either the camera man or thinking about something smart to say instead of thinking about the horse and how the horse feels.

    The horse doesn't know if she is going to kill him or not. She hurts him and he doesn't know why, other than that he is a prey species and she is a predator.

    There is no relationship between the two of them. Just fear and more fear. She has no empathy or understanding of this horse or what she is doing.

    She needs to learn back from the begining. First off she needs to understand what it is to be someone other than her. She needs to know that what she does to an animal hurts that animal etc. She needs to learn basic life skills and empathy skills before she sets foot near any other living creature.

    If your horse is in a state of flight, as this horse is, you need to understand that and work with an individual who has had years of experience and education to help you communicate with that horse so that further damage doesn't get done.

    With my horse, I didn't realize that until she got hurt. Now I know and I work from there foward. But had I known......I could of avoided so much pain and trauma done to my horse.

    When you have a 1000lb animal that is a prey species in a flight mode not allowed to fly (so to speak) you will get hurt, the horse will get hurt. No exception.

    Horses are not dogs. Not at all. That you must immediately change your thinking on. They are nothing alike. A dog is a preditor. End of story. They are driven by food rewards and they like to chase. Their reward centers are much different and they respond to stress differently. They also weigh much less and will do less damage than a horse if panicked. (for the most part).

    If you must think of a horse as a domestic animal, then they are closer in behavior to a cat. But a cat is a predator/prey species so still the behavior is way different. Think of a feral panicked cat and how much damage they can do. A horse is 1,000lbs of that kind of panick.

    Hope this helps. Sorry it is so long.

    I think something to thik about is what kind of leader do you like to follow. A calm, in control intelligent individual who never ever panicks or sounds flustered or rushed. Always in control and kind yet strong. That is what horses want. They don't want to be bullied or beat up or dominated. They want to follow the one they trust and the one who knows what to do. If you are not that person then pretend to be until you become that person.

    I hope someone can explain this better as I am not sure what I am trying to say is coming across right.
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        04-29-2013, 03:41 PM
      #67
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    Originally Posted by lightning    
    TBforever

    I cannot speak for anyone but myself. What I think is so upsetting in this video and wrong in any situation where one is dealing with another species is that:
    This horse is in a state of panick. He kicks out at her because he is fearing for his life. He is terrified. He screams terror with his facial expressions and body movement. That is what I see.

    He does not feel anything but fear about that woman. She is not interacting with him at all. Her focus is in and out with him. She is mostly talking to either the camera man or thinking about something smart to say instead of thinking about the horse and how the horse feels.

    The horse doesn't know if she is going to kill him or not. She hurts him and he doesn't know why, other than that he is a prey species and she is a predator.

    There is no relationship between the two of them. Just fear and more fear. She has no empathy or understanding of this horse or what she is doing.

    She needs to learn back from the begining. First off she needs to understand what it is to be someone other than her. She needs to know that what she does to an animal hurts that animal etc. She needs to learn basic life skills and empathy skills before she sets foot near any other living creature.

    If your horse is in a state of flight, as this horse is, you need to understand that and work with an individual who has had years of experience and education to help you communicate with that horse so that further damage doesn't get done.

    With my horse, I didn't realize that until she got hurt. Now I know and I work from there foward. But had I known......I could of avoided so much pain and trauma done to my horse.

    When you have a 1000lb animal that is a prey species in a flight mode not allowed to fly (so to speak) you will get hurt, the horse will get hurt. No exception.

    Horses are not dogs. Not at all. That you must immediately change your thinking on. They are nothing alike. A dog is a preditor. End of story. They are driven by food rewards and they like to chase. Their reward centers are much different and they respond to stress differently. They also weigh much less and will do less damage than a horse if panicked. (for the most part).

    If you must think of a horse as a domestic animal, then they are closer in behavior to a cat. But a cat is a predator/prey species so still the behavior is way different. Think of a feral panicked cat and how much damage they can do. A horse is 1,000lbs of that kind of panick.

    Hope this helps. Sorry it is so long.

    I think something to thik about is what kind of leader do you like to follow. A calm, in control intelligent individual who never ever panicks or sounds flustered or rushed. Always in control and kind yet strong. That is what horses want. They don't want to be bullied or beat up or dominated. They want to follow the one they trust and the one who knows what to do. If you are not that person then pretend to be until you become that person.

    I hope someone can explain this better as I am not sure what I am trying to say is coming across right.
    i do like everything you have said :)
    But just wanted to correct on something. The horse is afraid, but not of her. If you notice he is completely 100% focused on everything except her. He feels nothing at all towards her. He's kicking at her to tell her to stop going after him. And if she cornered him, he most certainly would not hesitate to run over top of her
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        04-30-2013, 03:43 AM
      #68
    Foal
    Hey, Nakotaheaven;

    What it looked like to me was that he was checking out in his head sort of. Either looking for an escape route and when one wasn't found he was shutting down sort of. I thought the kicking was out of fear because he couldn't run away from her.
    Just my opinion and I didn't even watch all of the video.

    So, I am curious now.
         

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