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    03-02-2012, 08:17 PM
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Foal
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I have a "problem" horse and I am looking for someone to help me work through his issues. He is suppose to be my dressage show horse. I have had him since he was 3 and unbroke. I broke him myself and had no issues. We have had a few trainers that have created problems or made them worse. Just as I think I have his issues out of him, he starts again. I'm not entirely sure what type of trainer I want or need. I want to get back into showing dressage but before I can even think of that we need the issues fixed. As of right now I think we need a "cowboy" to help push him through his problems. I am too nervous of what he might do to push him hard enough myself and I can't afford to get hurt. Any idea on who might be in the calgary area that can help me? I don't want to ship him anywhere too far away as I want to be part of his training. I am very open minded when it comes to trainers. Any info anyone might have would be amazing!
     
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    03-02-2012, 10:18 PM
  #2
Trained
What are his "issues"?
     
    03-03-2012, 08:29 AM
  #3
Foal
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Originally Posted by Whatamess    
Hi
I have a "problem" horse and I am looking for someone to help me work through his issues. He is suppose to be my dressage show horse. I have had him since he was 3 and unbroke. I broke him myself and had no issues. We have had a few trainers that have created problems or made them worse. Just as I think I have his issues out of him, he starts again. I'm not entirely sure what type of trainer I want or need. I want to get back into showing dressage but before I can even think of that we need the issues fixed. As of right now I think we need a "cowboy" to help push him through his problems. I am too nervous of what he might do to push him hard enough myself and I can't afford to get hurt. Any idea on who might be in the calgary area that can help me? I don't want to ship him anywhere too far away as I want to be part of his training. I am very open minded when it comes to trainers. Any info anyone might have would be amazing!

Sorry, a few red flags here. Can you be a little more specific? You broke the horse yourself when he was three and had no issues... the trainers created problems or made them worse? Have you broken horses before? When you say "Just as I think I have his issues out of him, he starts again." do you mean after the trainer has fixed the issue he starts up again, or you yourself work the issues out? It sounds like it might be user error after you get him back.

Also, when you say "As of right now I think we need a "cowboy" to help push him through his problems." this scares me. What exactly are his problems? I've seen horses that were "pushed" through their problems by "cowboys" and the result is not pretty.

I'm not trying to judge, it very well could have been the trainers messing him up, just some things you say raise some warning flags for me.
     
    03-06-2012, 12:42 PM
  #4
Foal
He's a rearers and bucks when asked for forward. I have broke many horses with no problems. But we had a trainer that got after his face on the ground and ever since then he's reared. I have many 'trainers' but none of them have been able to help me. I have done lots of work with him myself when trainers leave. I have had trainers refuse to touch him. He rears and if you get after him he strikes and tries to get anyone on the ground. I know horses enough that I know this horse needs a cowboy. Someone who's not scared to ride him through it. He has to be ridden with a bit of the thought of a stud too. He was cut right and on time but tends to be a bit of a stud. At this point I need someone to fix him or I'm going to have to get rid of him. So to say the least this is the last chance. And I'm not interested in the 'natural' way to train him. No offense to anyone but I don't believe in most of that stuff.
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    03-06-2012, 01:03 PM
  #5
Trained
Sounds like being "cowboyed" got him into this mess, why send him back again?
I'm not saying go NH, because I don't practice that per say, but... sending him back to the same type of person who produced this behaviour seems a little counter productive.

I can give you some names of trainers that I've worked with that might work for you, but that depends on how much you want to invest in him. You might be better off just selling him and starting over. That's up to you.
     
    03-06-2012, 01:27 PM
  #6
Showing
This horse needs a lot of groundwork to sharpen up his manners. You need to keep his feet moving, turning him away from you, not toward you. We are all guilty of turning the horse toward us but that helps him assert his dominance. He thinks he's moving you. Make all your turns by driving his front end away from you. Keep a dressage whip in hand at all times. If he rears, deliver the hardest hit you can, be it his shoulder, his leg, his body. So hard you think the whip will break. He needs a strong reaction for his action. He may learn from the one time but he may need it again. He will know that rearing results in a hard whack. If he's a slow learner he might do it a third time, but I doubt it. But know that just once may not fix it. Walk him in large circles so that you keep pushing him into the turn. Hold your whip toward his eye/jaw to move his head away. He will eventually start reading your shoulders and where they are going. Do some backing up. As long as his feet are busy it's hard for him to plant his hindfeet, rock back and rear. Get real good at moving his hips laterally. As long as one hind leg is crossing underneath he's like a 3 legged table, a little tippy.
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    03-06-2012, 02:17 PM
  #7
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Whatamess    
Hi
I have a "problem" horse and I am looking for someone to help me work through his issues. He is suppose to be my dressage show horse. I have had him since he was 3 and unbroke. I broke him myself and had no issues. We have had a few trainers that have created problems or made them worse.
I would like your definition of "broke". This horse sounds as unbroke as they come. He also sounds as if somewhere his rearing and bucking has been reinforced by being successful. I think you just need to say this horse needs started from the ground up. Just cause a horse lets you get on it a couple times I would not consider it broke. You are a long way from a finished dressage horse...you may want to sell this one as "unbroke" and get yourself a different horse.
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    03-06-2012, 03:36 PM
  #8
Started
I don't know what kind of trainers & qualifications, you have been picking to work with this horse. I can see why some trainers refuse to work with him,as if they a good/busy they don't want to take the time to be bothered with a horse with a bad attitude /problems when they can be working with horses they don't have to risk their livelihood on.
There may be some ready to take on a horse like that but you would have to be forthcoming with his issues & past training experiences. There is a couple on this site that may be suitable. Equine Trainers, Horse Trainers, Canada, USA.
     
    03-06-2012, 03:44 PM
  #9
Foal
Sounds like you have a lot of work on your hands and others have suggested you might just want to sell him and start over on a new project. There are to many good horses out there to be bothered with one as dangerous as yours is sounding. Some times its just best to cut your losses and move on.

On a side note I love how "cowboying" on a horse has the meaning that they will be forced or almost beat into doing something. Makes me laugh honestly because although it may have been the case back in the day most good cowboys are very good horse trainers today, that utilize a lot of natural horsemanship techniques that would probably have avoided this whole situation.

Have a good one!
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    03-06-2012, 09:54 PM
  #10
Showing
I have worked with horses like this. I dish out the punishment hard, but once only then continue as if nothing happened. A 3yr old filly tried to run me over full of nasty intent. She felt the hard smack of a stout rope on her neck. It turned her away but she tried again. Found out again that it hurt. The fight was out of her. We can't always handle them with kid gloves. Horses are hard on each other and sometimes we have to be just as hard. But that is saved for the serious issues. Horses that have too much asked of them will often rebel.
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