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    03-18-2012, 01:04 PM
  #1
Foal
Horse with unwilling attitude

Hi,
I just want some advice on my horse. I've had him for almost a year he is a young warmblood (5years) that I purchased as a jumper/eventing prospect. He is really talented, beautiful gaits, super fancy, amazing scope, but he has a bad attitude. Its hard to explain his attitude. I think my trainer explained it well in he is just not willing to try for you. This horse can clear a 4 foot oxer with absolutely no problem but when he is done (not because he is tired he just decides he doesn't want to work anymore) he will just run out of a 2'6" vertical that he just jumped 4 times previously without an issue. Also when he is "done" he will just try to leave the arena or bolt off and when I get after him we will get into this bucking war in which I win the battle but never fully win the war.
I recently had a clinic with a well known eventing rider and she told me that I should get rid of him. She told me that he has all of the talent in the world but its between his ears. It was kind of a shock as I've spent a lot of time/money in the past year and its hard to accept that I should get rid of by far one of the most talented horses I've ever ridden.
I guess my question is does anyone have experience with this type of attitude? I understand that he is young and a lot of people have told me that these things take time but I don't know if I should keep trying or cut my losses.
I should also add that he is completely sound, not back sore, his saddle fits, his x-rays are clean, etc. I got him with basically a clean slate and my trainer has rode him a bit and she doesn't want me to make a hasty decision but she is worried that I may spend months/years trying to make it work or paying her to make it work and it may just never be right.
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    03-18-2012, 01:36 PM
  #2
Foal
I'm sorry to hear about your issue with your horse and I can sure understand how you feel. I did have a horse very similiar to this. She just did not want to do anything. We would have a really good work session one day, and then the next day it was like it never happened. She refused to go forward, crow hop when trying to put her into the lope, and would bolt for the gate. It was maddening. She was absolutely beautiful, had beautiful gaits, but she was never going to to do well because of her attitude.

I kept her for 3 years, about 2-1/2 years too long, hoping it would eventually work out, but in the end I sold her for a lot less than I bought her for, but I was glad to see her go. I think what finally made me realize I needed to sell her was that I no longer wanted to go to the barn and was always making up excuses not to go.
     
    03-18-2012, 02:21 PM
  #3
Green Broke
I don't do H/E so I may be off base here but it sounds to me like he's been pushed too fast. He's just now 5 & has been doing all that.
     
    03-18-2012, 02:47 PM
  #4
Foal
Actually he will be 6 in a couple of months. Honestly that has been my concern a couple of time and I've gone back to the basics with him multiple times and spent a lot of time on groundwork and dressage but nothing improves his attitude. One day he may be great the next he will just quit on me and we will have major issues. I've free schooled him multiple times over 4' oxers and jumped him over 3'6" oxers but usually I keep him around 2'9"-3" when I do jump him more for my own comfort (he generally overjumps everything). Its really not the height of the fence that is the issue or how often we jump. I've spent multiple weeks where we just do flatwork and he still will suddenly throw a fit over a 20 meter circle at the trot that we did 4 times before without an issue. When he is willing he is awesome its just frustrating because he has all of the talent in the world to be an awesome show horse but I don't know how to make him want to work with me. I'm just wondering if he will grow out of this attitude as I have never trained a horse with this attitude before.
     
    03-18-2012, 03:00 PM
  #5
Foal
I really was hoping the same thing. My horse was 4 and I sold her when she was 7, but she only got worse. I really do hope though that your situation will turn out better.
     
    03-18-2012, 03:08 PM
  #6
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by eventer2012    
Actually he will be 6 in a couple of months. Honestly that has been my concern a couple of time and I've gone back to the basics with him multiple times and spent a lot of time on groundwork and dressage but nothing improves his attitude. One day he may be great the next he will just quit on me and we will have major issues. I've free schooled him multiple times over 4' oxers and jumped him over 3'6" oxers but usually I keep him around 2'9"-3" when I do jump him more for my own comfort (he generally overjumps everything). Its really not the height of the fence that is the issue or how often we jump. I've spent multiple weeks where we just do flatwork and he still will suddenly throw a fit over a 20 meter circle at the trot that we did 4 times before without an issue. When he is willing he is awesome its just frustrating because he has all of the talent in the world to be an awesome show horse but I don't know how to make him want to work with me. I'm just wondering if he will grow out of this attitude as I have never trained a horse with this attitude before.
My guess is he didn't want to do it 5 times. Some horses don't like the drilling & need variety. He sounds like he is really smart, those types like to be kept on their toes.
I have one that is a pistol to school inside but take her out where she has to think about where she puts her feet or get through an obstacle & she shines. Her inside or arena schooling has gotten much better too since we started riding some trails.
     
    03-18-2012, 03:17 PM
  #7
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Originally Posted by natisha    
My guess is he didn't want to do it 5 times. Some horses don't like the drilling & need variety. He sounds like he is really smart, those types like to be kept on their toes.
I have one that is a pistol to school inside but take her out where she has to think about where she puts her feet or get through an obstacle & she shines. Her inside or arena schooling has gotten much better too since we started riding some trails.

That was my thought.
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    03-18-2012, 03:23 PM
  #8
Weanling
I would have to whole heartedly agree with Natisha. It sounds like this horse needs some time outside of the arena or training pen. He is quite simply bored. You can only do the same thing so many times before it becomes tedious. That him out on the trails a couple of days a week, and enjoy riding him, and let him enjoy the different scenery. You may find out that after a trail ride or two his attitude may improve. Training a horse for a specific discipline is fine, but they need some down time to just chill while being ridden as well. I would imagine that you are also getting bored with constantly doing the same maneuvers over and over again.

You may find out that with a little time spent on anything other than training while you are on his back may very well reveal a new horse to you.
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    03-18-2012, 03:30 PM
  #9
Weanling
I would try different things with him. Give him a break from routine and turn him out, and just play with him. He may just need to experience some fun things in life to help inspire him. Sounds to me like he lost his spark, and hopefully he will be able to get it back. He may be one of those horses that was born without a spark. I've worked with a few that lost their spark, and what I did was turn them out and gave them a winter off with a herd. Helped for them to re ignite their interest in life and become a horse again, rather then be a tool for someone to use.
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    03-18-2012, 03:32 PM
  #10
Foal
I truly hope that the above posters are right, and he just needs a change of scenary. Unfortunately, there are some horses, not many thank goodness, that just have a bad attitude and nothing seems to be able to change it. I hate being so negative about it, and again I really hope your horse is not one of them, but having had a horse like that and trying different methods and time off and trail riding, etc. (me and my trainer and even sending her to a trainer who dealt with problem horses) I just thought I would let you know of my experience in case he is one of those horses.
     

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