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    01-09-2012, 09:15 PM
  #11
Weanling
I didn't think you were trying to be mean, but your are being truly concern and I do appreciate that. I agree that my horse should go on with out rearing and spinning around. I shouldn't have to use spurs to make him do what he is suppose to do.

Unfortunately for me he doesn’t realize that. I have trained 5 young horses and I only had to touch my horse with spurs while teaching them to side pass and simple things like that. I am very light in the mouth on my horses they are eight and nine years old now and I can still use snaffle bit and the chin strap does not even have to be tight on them. Most of my commands come from very simple leg cues or soft, gentle movement on the reins and verbal commands.
My problem with this horse is he is older and has not been properly trained and I have to fix something that is already a problem. I am not used to having to fix problems. My past experience has been working with horses that did not have any bad habits from the start and I didn’t give them a chance to start any bad habits. I want to have a respectful well manner, safe horse that I feel that I can ride anywhere.

I don’t want you to think that I am always rough on my horses. I felt the need to used spurs because we are talking about a dangerous situation and it could get worse. It was a very tight fit, muddy with low limbs, vines and a lot of horses. I was not in a situation that I could get out of the other horses way and I couldn’t allow him to be rearing up and spinning around. I couldn’t give it to him at this point. I am curious to know what you would have done in this situation.
     
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    01-09-2012, 09:16 PM
  #12
Yearling
You are not only dealing with an older horse with no trail experience but an older recently gelded horse with no trail experience. You have some work ahead of you. All I can say is to keep him mentally and physically working when on trail. Try to keep his encounters with other horses somewhat minimal for awhile, a few at a time on trail. Being that he was a stud and recently gelded, I am not so sure he is herd bound for insecure reasons being an older horse new on trail or if this is a "stallion" mentality herd bound issue.
     
    01-09-2012, 09:16 PM
  #13
Weanling
I didn't think you were trying to be mean, but your are being truly concern and I do appreciate that. I agree that my horse should go on with out rearing and spinning around. I shouldn't have to use spurs to make him do what he is suppose to do.

Unfortunately for me he doesnít realize that. I have trained 5 young horses and I only had to touch my horse with spurs while teaching them to side pass and simple things like that. I am very light in the mouth on my horses they are eight and nine years old now and I can still use snaffle bit and the chin strap does not even have to be tight on them. Most of my commands come from very simple leg cues or soft, gentle movement on the reins and verbal commands.
My problem with this horse is he is older and has not been properly trained and I have to fix something that is already a problem. I am not used to having to fix problems. My past experience has been working with horses that did not have any bad habits from the start and I didnít give them a chance to start any bad habits. I want to have a respectful well manner, safe horse that I feel that I can ride anywhere.

I donít want you to think that I am always rough on my horses. I felt the need to used spurs because we are talking about a dangerous situation and it could get worse. It was a very tight fit, muddy with low limbs, vines and a lot of horses. I was not in a situation that I could get out of the other horses way and I couldnít allow him to be rearing up and spinning around. I couldnít give it to him at this point. I am curious to know what you would have done in this situation.
     
    01-09-2012, 09:23 PM
  #14
Green Broke
Baloney,
tools are used to magnify our sugestions. Use them correctly. All tools can be soft or too hard. But spurs are tools too. Level 1, 2, 3, commands.
Some horses are more hard headed than others. In some cases spurs come in handy on the trail. You know if a horse doesnt understand, or is being stubborn. I'm not going to spend all day going, "It's ok boo boo, here's a sugar cookie, sometimes he's getting spurred and a "GET UR A@$ DOWN THE TRAIL"
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    01-09-2012, 09:55 PM
  #15
Weanling
Thank you Joe4d. I have to agree with you. He needs to know that I mean business. I don't know of another way to get that point across. He straighten up and I didn't have any more trouble on that ride. I did pass other horses on the trail but I didn't have to stop him to move out of their way. We had enough room to keep going our way while they went their way.
     
    01-09-2012, 10:10 PM
  #16
Weanling
I am not sure what I would have done without actually doing it, but I have re-trained many horses with problems similar to this without a spur or whip - ever. All I did was train them to the T in the arena, and then take them on the trail.

I suppose I have just seen too many accidents and bad outcomes with spurs in situations like these. I am used to spurs being used in dressage, reining, pleasure ... things with subtle and precise cues. Not abrupt, seemingly rough cues.

I have no problem kicking a horses ass down a trail, but I have never used a spur to help me do so, with the way I kick (sometimes, I am a naturally refined rider and prefer showing) they would end up with a hole in their side. I have a well trained eye and mind on the back of a horse and have a good ability to tell when and which way they are going to try to turn around or get stupid and I occupy them before that. I hardly ever have to encounter this on a trail though, because they are very well trained in an arena first.

You can tell your horse you mean business without spurs, can't you?
     
    01-09-2012, 10:23 PM
  #17
Weanling
I don't have any problems with him in the arena.

I don't have to use spurs to make him gait he is willing if we are just going down the trail. I wish you would have been there to see the situation. We are talking about one light nudge with spurs, no respond and then a stronger nudge with the spurs. I didn't have to dig my spurs into him. It was less forceful than a kick would have been. I was to busy trying to keep his head turn in toward me so he wouldn't rear up and fall on me. Plus, you got to keep in mind it is a very tight closed in areas with trees and limbs down everywhere. He is a very strong well build horse and I am not very strong or very big. I had to get my bluff in on him.
Do you do a lot of trail riding on very rough dangerous trails?
     
    01-09-2012, 10:30 PM
  #18
Weanling
I did back in my day, I mainly train performance horses now. Perhaps you are doing the best you can. I was under the impression that you were kicking with spurs. My apologies. I guess it also has something to do with what type of spur you use. Which I hope is not a 5 inch spike rowel.
     
    01-10-2012, 06:47 PM
  #19
Weanling
No, I don't have much of a spike on my spirs but I usually don't need to.
I am really wanted to know what I can do to break my horse from this serious situation before someone is hurt bad.
I am willing to do ground work, arena work, what ever it takes. I want to make sure that I have a safe horse. This horse is special to me. He is worth the effort. I just don't know what to do. I haven't had any experience with this type of situation.
     

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