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    01-15-2012, 04:15 PM
  #1
Weanling
Horse wont back up :(

My horse wont back up. Ever.
In the saddle with a bridle on, I niggle and tell him to back, I pull back, I squeeze my legs on.. Nothing will make him move back.
On the ground even, when Im trying to move him like 2 steps backwards to do something with him, I grap his halter and pull backwards, and the pressure does nothing. I lean into him, I push his chest, and it does nothing.
Help!!
     
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    01-15-2012, 04:24 PM
  #2
Showing
Sounds like a respect issue and a pressure/release issue.

Since you're obviously not still pushing your horse to back up right now... you've taught him that if he waits and does nothing, he eventually gets left alone.

Not a good start...

Does he yield to pressure well in other areas? Can you get him to yield to pressure on his neck, on his face, on his legs? He is able to turn on the forehand, haunches, leg yield? Do you lunge him, do you do any other groundwork with him?

How long have you had him? Are you new to horses, been around horses, is this your first horse, etc. ?

We all need more information to help :)
     
    01-15-2012, 08:35 PM
  #3
Foal
My paint has chronic back issues and I am working on some ground exercises one of them being to back up a few steps. In the beginning he didn't want to do this and now of course he is fine. Take it one step at a time, if one leg moves back, reward your horse immediately. Be sure nothing is in his way and he has a lot of room. I repeatedly said the word 'back' while I gently pushed his chest. He was very resistant at first but with patience and rewards, your horse will come along. I never used the whip or any form of punishment, that is not how to teach a horse to do something new. Horses usually want to please us unless they experienced abuse in their past or are currently experiencing pain. So many people don't understand that....good luck!
     
    01-15-2012, 08:43 PM
  #4
Trained
You need someone to show you how. Too much can go wrong if not done correctly, like rearing.
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    01-15-2012, 09:33 PM
  #5
Foal
When doing ground work with my horse he backs up perfectly just by hearing the word. But when I ride him he doesn't always respond, he is head shy and doesn't like to be pulled by a lead he rears back. Some days he backs up other days he starts shaking his head and doing everything but reverse. Any suggestions ???
     
    01-17-2012, 04:33 AM
  #6
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by kritter keeper    
my paint has chronic back issues and I am working on some ground exercises one of them being to back up a few steps. In the beginning he didn't want to do this and now of course he is fine. Take it one step at a time, if one leg moves back, reward your horse immediately. Be sure nothing is in his way and he has a lot of room. I repeatedly said the word 'back' while I gently pushed his chest. He was very resistant at first but with patience and rewards, your horse will come along. I never used the whip or any form of punishment, that is not how to teach a horse to do something new. Horses usually want to please us unless they experienced abuse in their past or are currently experiencing pain. So many people don't understand that....good luck!
that's what I do...
Every time he moves the slightest bit back the pressure comes of and I tell him he is good. Sometimes he will walk back a few steps and its all ggood, but other times he will not move no matter how hard I try,
     
    01-17-2012, 04:34 AM
  #7
Weanling
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Originally Posted by waresbear    
You need someone to show you how. Too much can go wrong if not done correctly, like rearing.
I rarely bother asking him on his back,
The biggest issue is on the ground when I need him to move. I pull back on his hakter, ush into him and say back and nothing ahppens. No reaction at all.
     
    01-17-2012, 04:39 AM
  #8
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
Sounds like a respect issue and a pressure/release issue.

Since you're obviously not still pushing your horse to back up right now... you've taught him that if he waits and does nothing, he eventually gets left alone.

Not a good start...

Does he yield to pressure well in other areas? Can you get him to yield to pressure on his neck, on his face, on his legs? He is able to turn on the forehand, haunches, leg yield? Do you lunge him, do you do any other groundwork with him?

How long have you had him? Are you new to horses, been around horses, is this your first horse, etc. ?

We all need more information to help :)
its "not a goos start" but what am I supposed to do about it? I don't even care about backin up under saddle, but on the ground, he doenst move. I need himt o move out the way, backwards, and he just doesnt move. No amound of pressure does anything. When im oushing him back or im not, there is no reaction, or difference. I can easily push him over sideways when tied up and stuff. Im not new to horses, and he isnt my first but I reallky don't even have an understanding of what forhand =, haunches and how to teach/ ask leg yield. He is very very green. I lunge him often, spend a lot of time with him, do basic join-up and follow-up and all that jazz. I have had him since september. I kinda just asked for how to actually fix the problem... :/
     
    01-17-2012, 05:25 AM
  #9
Green Broke
Get a trainer.

Firstly, have his back checked. Make sure there is no pain stopping him from doing it.

If you can't get him to walk back on the ground, that is a serious respect issue, you need a trainer to assess what is going on and work with you both. Warebear is right, in can cause rearing, on the floor as well as in the saddle as an evasive behaviour.

Get this cracked- one hole somewhere will lead to many more later on.

Good luck
     
    01-17-2012, 04:29 PM
  #10
Showing
Quote:
Originally Posted by brookebum    
its "not a goos start" but what am I supposed to do about it? I don't even care about backin up under saddle, but on the ground, he doenst move. I need himt o move out the way, backwards, and he just doesnt move. No amound of pressure does anything. When im oushing him back or im not, there is no reaction, or difference. I can easily push him over sideways when tied up and stuff. Im not new to horses, and he isnt my first but I reallky don't even have an understanding of what forhand =, haunches and how to teach/ ask leg yield. He is very very green. I lunge him often, spend a lot of time with him, do basic join-up and follow-up and all that jazz. I have had him since september. I kinda just asked for how to actually fix the problem... :/
I know you're frustrated and I hope I didn't come off as witchy. Try to get energized inside when you want the horse to change how they are. Grow taller.. make noise, seem bigger. It'll help your case a lot.

And it's okay to not understand all of those terms.. as long as you understand the idea (the reason you do this.. what it does, etc.) behind them. But that's something else entirely :)

The way I taught my horse to back up is stand by his shoulder.. take your leadrope in your outer hand (the one away from his face) and spin it infront of his face (always swinging it down never up to his chin) until the rope hits his nose (it doesn't hurt it's just a bit different to them) and when he takes a step back, then stop spinning. Pretty soon they'll start moving back moreso with the notion of a gentle swining rope or just the voice cue or just watching your body.

If he DOESN'T move at all (it'll take awhile..) increase the pressure... spin that lead-rope really fast and bring it closer to his face until he changes.. then as soon as he does.. stop the spinning and relax.

I hope that helps! Just don't stand infront of him.. to the side of his shoulder.

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Originally Posted by brookebum    
Thats what I do...
Every time he moves the slightest bit back the pressure comes of and I tell him he is good. Sometimes he will walk back a few steps and its all ggood, but other times he will not move no matter how hard I try,
Then make him more forward.. lunge that sucker until he gets the idea that when you tell him something, he better respond. Or try asking him to yield by putting pressure on his side where your leg would go. It helps to have a whip in the other hand incase he tries to move into the pressure instead of away.

Then try backing him up and as soon as he shifts weight, ease up on the pressure but don't stop it.. when he takes a step back, ease up even more but keep the pressure on until you are happy with the steps he took back.

But please.. if you aren't confident or if he is too much to deal with, ask someone experienced to give you a hand. Some horses you can't tell what they're going to react to or how they will react so you have to be ready.



Also.. do you use a rope halter?


The horse can feel the pressure better than just a regular nylon/web/leather.
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