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        10-28-2013, 08:01 PM
      #11
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    Anticipation of being home and resting it up in the pasture. Buddy sour is usually not wanting to leave the barn. But similarly, if not stopped it will escalate badly.

    I always make returning home a LOT more work. We're talking leg yields, figure eights, serpentines, half circles, etc. Also I like to turn around and go the other way at times, just so I have the horse's focus and I decide when we return. I've never had any issues with my own personal horse or ones that I've ridden.
         
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        10-28-2013, 08:51 PM
      #12
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    Originally Posted by loosie    
    So what was the point of you telling that here, in this thread?? It appears that you were telling it as advice to OP, so don't get upset about people taking it that way.



    Oh I didn't know they were working horses or ridden that hard. Spending a week tied to a trailer is a not very good practice you may want to reconsider. There are such things as portable yards.

    Anyway, back to OP... Horses live in the moment, training-wise, and I don't really agree with the concept of bringing them back & asking them to work more, for previous 'misdemeanors' for that, among other reasons. I also don't want the horse to think of 'work' as punishment at all anyway. & often & depending on the reasons for the 'bad' behaviour, (further) punishment at home is still worth being at home for, so won't change the behaviour.

    Horses frequently aren't happy to be 'worked' and don't feel secure about leaving their safe environment & 'herd' with a human they may not feel secure with. I'd work on changing that attitude, rather thanjust adding more 'punishment'.

    You 'got rid' of his buddy? So he now lives alone? I'd rectify that situation, because, aside from other reasons, he will be more generally stressed living alone, which will 'rub off' on everything else.

    I did get upset about people taking it the way they did umm that's their problem not mine. The tying to trailer for a week is when we camp so not tyed 24/7. I ride with a freind she doesnt do portable corrals either. Like I said my horses do fine being tyed for long periods of time. My point of posting here on this thread is beacuse I wanted too if someones got a problem with it....as said before their problem not mine.


    If OP doesnt like my advice then they don't have to take it. Fact is my horses are well broke side pass,backup ,pivot on both front and hindend. Cross water,go through brush traffic safe not much spooks either horse.

    Yeah their riden hard but both are fit and lean. They also load in trailer no issues there so looks like what I do works cause iam not on here asking for training help.....


    At least I ride and use my horses unlike some people who just have pasture puffs.
         
        10-28-2013, 09:06 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
    If you have trails that pass home I'd keep criss crossing home trails and away trails. Just because your going on a homeward bound trail doesn't mean your actually going home. Keep your horse out there until he stops, then head home. If he starts jigging again turn around and walk the opposite way. When he is relaxed, turn and go home. Work him when you get back and if you can take him out again. DON'T feed him when you get back home! No hay, no snack, no grain. Nothing. I say for at least 1 hour.
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        10-28-2013, 09:13 PM
      #14
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    Originally Posted by spirit88    
    I did get upset about people taking it the way they did umm that's their problem not mine. ...If OP doesnt like my advice then they don't have to take it.
    I don't see it that anyone else has a problem actually, if you get upset at the way your posts are perceived. I also took your second post as saying it wasn't training advice tho, which is why I wondered at the point of it.

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    Yeah their riden hard but both are fit and lean.
    You have other horses too then? But that's OT too so never mind. Just confused at what you've said & why.... & why & what you're upset about.
         
        10-28-2013, 09:28 PM
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    Originally Posted by loosie    
    I don't see it that anyone else has a problem actually, if you get upset at the way your posts are perceived. I also took your second post as saying it wasn't training advice tho, which is why I wondered at the point of it.



    You have other horses too then? But that's OT too so never mind. Just confused at what you've said & why.... & why & what you're upset about.


    The second post was to set it straight why my horses are tyed up so long....its not punishment for bad behaviour on trail.


    Iam upset not at anyone on here iam just well having a tough day. Can Pm you to tell whats going on don't want to put it on here.Yes I have other horses.

    Op sorry for derailing your thread.
         
        10-28-2013, 10:05 PM
      #16
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    I don't think anyone is saying that you work him harder at the barn as a "punishment". But rather , he get's what he wants: to go back to the barn. But, the working him there is to make being at the barn not as appealing as he thinks it is. He thinks he MUST get there quickly, but if getting there only equals more work, he won't be in any more hurry to get there than he'd be to go anywhere else you ask him to go. It's making the wrong thing "hard" (not impossible, but hard) and the right thing (him just walking home, so you maybe don't work him afterward) easy. If he starts anticipating the unsaddling/cessation of work, after doing the right thing for a few times (being NO jigging) then you'd make the barn be a place of work.

    But, you don't make that ugly , mean work. You don't whip him or make the serpentines super hard or sharp or uncomfortable or vindictive.. Just plain old work.
         
        10-28-2013, 11:53 PM
      #17
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    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    I don't think anyone is saying that you work him harder at the barn as a "punishment".
    IMO that is absolutely effectively what is being advised, whether it's understood as that or not. (Positive)Punishment = doing/giving something unpleasant in order to weaken a behaviour. So what people are saying is when the horse does something 'wrong' like rushing home, you apply the unpleasant stimuli (work) to home, to weaken the behaviour of rushing to get there.

    BTW, I'm not saying there's no place for punishment in treating the prob, and I'm also not saying don't work the horse at home either.

    I realise I 'talk in circles' sometimes, so will use what you wrote Tiny, to try to explain my point of view further...

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    but if getting there only equals more work,
    Aside from not wanting my horses to think of 'work' as... well... work, something unpleasant, regardless of what you do, home won't *only* equal more work... there's also the security of a familiar, hopefully safe environment, which will frequently outweigh the unpleasantness of more work.

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    it's making the wrong thing "hard" (not impossible, but hard) and the right thing (him just walking home, so you maybe don't work him afterward) easy.
    This is such an important training principle. But another principle to keep in mind is *instant* reinforcement/punishment. Horses aren't able to associate abstract effects to causes very well, so don't understand that something that happens later is punishment for a previous behaviour.

    As the horse doesn't start hurrying only as you reach home, if you let him hurry home before you attempt to 'make the wrong thing difficult', you've missed out on a lot of opportunity to do just that, and have also reinforced the behaviour by allowing it to work - he wants to go home & that's where he's allowed to go. So (complimentary to other measures to change his attitude) if when you turn for home the horse starts hurrying, I'd be turning right around again, or otherwise ensuring the behaviour didn't work for him *at the time of the behaviour*.

    In addition to this, while people talk about 'making the right thing easy' they often don't focus on this or reinforcing 'good' behaviour so much. Think about what is hard about a horse going out - insecurity, leaving his home & herd, perhaps unpleasantness of carrying someone. Making that 'easy' & Good is what I'd focus on a lot more than reacting to/punishing the 'wrong' stuff.
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