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post #31 of 53 Old 03-07-2010, 05:48 PM Thread Starter
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Riosdad: I see your point. I did like the video.

Reiner: Yea, I love Stacy Westfall! I see her everytime I can. I've rode my horse with nothing but a lead rope before, but I mostly used my legs. She real responsive with the legs which is good because I love using my legs more than the reins.

Kevin: You didn't like my video? I thought it was very good. It is no different than the one riosdad posted, if you think about it. The only thing different was in my video, they had tricks (but not all were tricks). Also, how do you figure that my video wasn't horsemanship? Any communication, whatsoever is horsemanship, because you are communicating with the horse.

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It's not that I didn't like your video as much as I don't think that the level of horsemanship is any better than average and the video that RD posted is exceptional. The horses in the first video could in no way, shape or form do what the other horse did. It's not that what they are doing is wrong or even poorly done but the spanish horse was in a whole different class.

Kind of like comparing caviar to the fish eggs that you use for bait. If you just look at them they may appear the same but lif you try them you will know the difference.

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Ok, I got ya. Makes sense! :)

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post #34 of 53 Old 03-07-2010, 08:22 PM
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has anyone seen that video with the horse agility
I think that's pretty cool
I'm pretty sure there was a thread on it but I can't find it
But the horse went through tunnels, over jumps, up ramps
All with nothing on it was pretty much like dog agility
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RedTree: I think I might have seen something similar to that, because it sounds familiar.

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I think my horsemanship and overall skill would count for more as well if it meant the difference between a bull's horn up my wazoo or not!

Somehow a neon pink barrel just doesn't pose the same sort of encouragment when you really boil down to it!

Agreed though. The tricks are fun, but I STRONGLY dislike how NH seems to go hand in hand with an extremely strung out and rough animal. You are encouraging far more injury by not asking anything of your horse except to step over obstacles and go in circles without headgear. Nobody is impressed, we've been doing it since the dawn of time, it's not a big deal and really not impressive at all when your horse looks like he's in pain from not being ridden properly.

Very cute video, but I've always found NH tricks to be way more cute on the ground as opposed to in the saddle. I agree with kevinshorses - people seem to think it's a goal to ride brideless, and yet realistically, 99% of all champion horses in ANY discipline could be ridden brideless with ease, just because true riding isn't done from the bridle ANYWAY.



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post #37 of 53 Old 03-08-2010, 09:38 AM Thread Starter
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Macabre:Well said!!!! I do agree with you, especially in your last paragraph about how true riding isn't done from the bridle!

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Boy, people who talk about "self-loading" onto trailers need to see that! That was done with enthusiasm. LOL
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post #39 of 53 Old 03-08-2010, 05:27 PM
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Most likely because there is a reward in that trailer be it food or whatever... Tom will do the same thing if you place a bucket of corn into it, I cal it a bribe...

I agree with Rio and Kevin, while those tricks are cute, they are not really horsemanship IMO, any joe could read up and practice a bit and do that. That Spanish horse was phenomenal, a little hyperflexed which looked ridiculous, but overall exemplary.

And here is where I agree with Macabre as well, as with another video of a Spanish horse trained as a bull fighter that everyone was fawning over, a 2000lb bull is very good incentive to move so, staying alive is great incentive and can be the difference between the horses in the first video and their potential compared to the Spanish horse and the level of obedience and refinement he is at, he knows he has to move that way or he will be killed... Makes for great obedience training lol

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I think the three riders in the first video are amateurs who have done a really nice job training their horses, while Stacy Westfall and the guy on the Iberian horse are professionals at the highest levels of their disciplines. So I think comparing them is a little unfair. I'd hate for someone to compare a YouTube video of me (luckily there isn't one!) to the Spanish rider and then say what I'm doing isn't horsemanship. Compared to that guy, well, no. Duh. Still not a fair comparison.
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