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  • Why do other horses not answer my horse "calling"
  • horse calls and what they mean

 
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    05-27-2011, 07:42 PM
  #1
Green Broke
Horses Calling-Reprimand *rant*

Well..I was thinking and this just happened to pop into my head from the show I went to Saturday. It was a decent sized show (big compared to our normal local shows, but a little smaller than some I've seen), and a lot of the riders handled and rode their horses quite well, withthe exception of a few. But that's to be expected, eh?
Anyway, a lot of the horses would start calling out when one did, and I don't see an issue with it since all the ones I ride still pay attention to me as well, but I'm assuming others didn't.
I just felt the need to rant somewhere about one lady..wish I would've got a pic and her email so I could've shown her how utterly stupid she looked. Now, if you want to give your horse a tap or make it work when it starts talking, that's fine by me, but not with a hand over-under...
So, said lady's horse would call out, and said lady would (all at the same time) start hitting her mare's head with her whip, kicking her to go, and yanking on her mouth..For some reason, I seem to think this would be rather counter productive. From what I saw of the horse moving out and working, she must've been well trained. But since my BO probably would've got mad at me for starting drama at an otherwise perfect show, I didn't say a word.
But, if a horse can't go forwards, can't go backwards, and can't go sideways...where do you think it's going to end up going? I'm not sorry to say, but I was really waiting for her mare to fly up and over.
I mean really...it's common sense people!
Well..end rant now. :p
Good thing was that people at the show actually respected my red ribbon(: aside from in the warm-up pen...in which I would tell them, they'd get the nasty look on their faces like, "How dare you bring a horse that kicks to a show," but then ride right up my butt the next time they came around ;; andwho, she only kicked once (after someone -from our barn- came up and stood behind her. -.-; I was told I handled her very well(: Since she usually kicks at every horse in sight, plus with her being in heat...well, yeah, you can imagine :p
I got a bit off topic..but anywho..
Please, please tell me why doing that (what I mentioned first) would do anything even semi-productive..? *sigh*
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    05-27-2011, 09:35 PM
  #2
Super Moderator
You might see if you could get that 'terrible' rider to get on your horse and teach her some manners.

I would not be caught dead endangering people at a public horse show on a spoiled kicking horse. I canot believe that you would take a horse out to an event like this when you know the horse you are riding has such poor manners.

YOU ARE responsible for your kicker. Other people are not responsible for staying away from you! That IS NOT their job.
     
    05-27-2011, 11:24 PM
  #3
Green Broke
Are you serious? I handled her d*mn well during the whole show, and made sure I warned everyone, along with a red ribbon. If my horse kicks, then it kicks. It's not even my horse, first of all.
I kept her from kicking anyone in the warm up, and I kept her from kicking while we were waiting outside the ring except for once. I'll bet a whole ton of horses kick that are brought to shows, atleast I had the decency to tie a ribbon on and make sure everyone knew.
Tell me, please tell me, that you would go up to stand nose-to-butt to someone's horse that you've never met or know. Because if you would, I'd love say how stupid you are. If your horse sticks it's nose up my horse's butt, they deserve to get kicked. Hell, I'd kick them.
Also..so what you were getting at is that you see absolutely nothing wrong with yanking a horse's face off, hitting it in the face with a whip, and shoving your spurs into it's sides because it whinnied? Am I right, because that's how it read. I'd also love to know how having a horse freaking out where people are trying to walk past for sign ups and food/drinks.
     
    05-28-2011, 12:09 AM
  #4
Foal
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Originally Posted by Cherie    
You might see if you could get that 'terrible' rider to get on your horse and teach her some manners.

I would not be caught dead endangering people at a public horse show on a spoiled kicking horse. I canot believe that you would take a horse out to an event like this when you know the horse you are riding has such poor manners.

YOU ARE responsible for your kicker. Other people are not responsible for staying away from you! That IS NOT their job.
For one thing.. horses all kick, they are all capable of it. Yes, people ARE indeed responsible for keeping their distance from ANY horse, no exceptions. You shouldnt be riding right up another horses a**. Just sayin`
Not to mention, a responsible rider, keeps a red bow in the tail on a kicking horse at an event. Any horse can kick. That terrible rider, is terrible to be hitting her horse in the head, that's an IDIOT. You call that discipline? Have fun when she's head shy and rearing.
     
    05-28-2011, 12:12 AM
  #5
Super Moderator
Well, I am sorry that you got so offended, but I showed for more than 30 years and I NEVER, in all of those years, took a spoiled kicker to a show. I trained them before I went and never made a fool of myself.

The high level shows that I went to would have had a paddock judge or ring steward excuse a horse that kicked at another exhibitor's horse. And crowded in-gates are places where there are many horses standing within kicking distance of many horses. I cannot even imagine thinking it is OK to have a kicker in a place like that.

EVERY horse I ride will let me lead any other horse from its back. This includes mares that are ridden only a few between foals. I cannot believe that you or the horse's owner wanted to take a dangerous horse like that to a show of any level. It is just not that difficult to teach a horse that kicking or any other display of disrespect and dangerous bad manners is not allowed when it is being handled or ridden.

Warning people that they must look out for your horse or risk a crippling kick from her is NOT handling a horse well -- in anyone's book -- least of all - mine..
     
    05-28-2011, 12:14 AM
  #6
Green Broke
I'm sorry, but you never answered my question about the POINT of this post.(:
Also, she's fine if they walk behind her, just not when they stop and stand, while less than 2 foot away. I, truthfully, don't think that's excessively dangerous.
And all the shows I've been to, no one stands their horses right next to the in-gate..? That isn't an issue at the shows we go to.
     
    05-28-2011, 12:20 AM
  #7
Foal
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Originally Posted by Cherie    
Well, I am sorry that you got so offended, but I showed for more than 30 years and I NEVER, in all of those years, took a spoiled kicker to a show. I trained them before I went and never made a fool of myself.

The high level shows that I went to would have had a paddock judge or ring steward excuse a horse that kicked at another exhibitor's horse. And crowded in-gates are places where there are many horses standing within kicking distance of many horses. I cannot even imagine thinking it is OK to have a kicker in a place like that.

EVERY horse I ride will let me lead any other horse from its back. This includes mares that are ridden only a few between foals. I cannot believe that you or the horse's owner wanted to take a dangerous horse like that to a show of any level. It is just not that difficult to teach a horse that kicking or any other display of disrespect and dangerous bad manners is not allowed when it is being handled or ridden.

Warning people that they must look out for your horse or risk a crippling kick from her is NOT handling a horse well -- in anyone's book -- least of all - mine..
Well, I don't have horses that kick, they are respectful or I wont take them out. However, some horses, will try to kick no matter what, but that doesnt mean they are dangerous or `not handled well`. I know a lot of `kickers`that rarely try to kick at a show. But being a responsible horse owner, everyone should be cautious of spacing between a horse. That's the smart thing to do. Keep taking it for granted, you will be lucky if you don't get kicked. But when you do, don't say people didnt warn you.
     
    05-28-2011, 12:33 AM
  #8
Super Moderator
To answer your first question --- horses should be trained before they go to a show. That means they should not call out during a class. [Unless this is a small 'schooling show'.] Then horses are there to be schooled.

Hitting a horse over the head is a poor method of schooling one and not terribly effective. Losing one's temper is also pretty ineffective and that sounds like what could have heppened here.

But, a horse should be corrected for calling out (showing that the horse's mind is plainly not on its rider and the job at hand) just like a kicker should be corrected.

What level are these shows where exhibitors show up with kickers and little red ribbons? I just cannot wrap my head around that being acceptable. Maybe it is because most show exhibitors in ranch and cowboy country just don't make excuses for horses. We don't even encourage hauling kickers in 4-H and open shows around here. We try to get them better trained and better mannered BEFORE they are taken to shows or even taken on trail rides. More than 50 horses and riders showed up at the local 4-H trail ride last weekend and I did not see a kicker there -- thank goodness.

Can you tell me why letting a known kicker keep on kicking is acceptable to you and the people you are around? Why do people not correct them and teach them better behavior?
     
    05-28-2011, 12:45 AM
  #9
Green Broke
Okay, first off:
Said horse that kicks that I was riding:
-Shows are local and occasional 4-H shows, along with fair.
-Kicking isn't acceptable, and I make her work her ass off if she didn't have d*mn good reason for it. AKA-When Toby shoved his nose up her butt. I don't feel it was her fault, other people should NOT be letting their horses shove their noses into/onto/etc other peoples horses, plain and simple.
As for the other horse and (yes, in my opinion) terrible rider.
-The horse was standing outside of the arena not doing anything. Not walking, not working, nothing. There is nothing wrong with calling out as long as I'm not telling the horse to do something specific and it isn't listening.
-It's not dangerous. At all. If the horse is listening (albeit worried, but still listening), what's the matter? Can't deal with the occasional whinny?
-No, it was not hitting over the head, I said in the face. I've seen horses go blind because they got a whip/rope/crop in their eye from a rider who thought they were cool.

And truthfully, if I'm paying for my time in the arena at any type of show (be it local level, fair, or a schooling show), if my horse decides they want to "forget" something, I will school them instead of actually running them in a class. I paid for the time in the arena, and you can be sure as hell I'm going to use it however I want with the minute or two I have.
Also, I've posted about this horse before-I just started riding her. I've ridden her on two trail rides in the past 2 years, and this was my first time riding her off a trail. She was much better with me on her than anyone else, so I saw that as progress. She doesn't have the chance to kick at home unless it's on a trail ride, taking her to shows, warning everyone, and purposely moving her away when she tenses up to kick (BEFORE she does it) is what's going to help. Not doing whatever it was that the terrible rider/handler/"trainer" that I was ranting about did to her mare.
     
    05-28-2011, 12:47 AM
  #10
Banned
Cherie, I believe it is perfectly normal practice to put a red ribbon on the tail of a kicker. It is then the fault of the rider getting too close. I have seen GP horses with red ribbons in their tail.
     

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