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        01-10-2008, 10:19 AM
      #11
    Green Broke
    I show my horses, I work him and stick him in a stall till the next time I work him. But that doesn't mean I don't go in there and brush him and talk to him. I no longer think of riding as something I do for fun or for joy. I think of it as a job, as something I enjoy but yet have to do.
         
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        01-10-2008, 11:23 AM
      #12
    Started
    I agree that horses are our partners. I think that after we work the horse, it's only fair to give back to them for what they do for us. Before and after I ride or work my horse I always let him graze for awhile. If he gives, then I give. I don't want my horse to think that I'll do what I want with him and then just throw him back out in the pasture, that's when a horse becomes a tool. I don't think top performance horses should be treated any differently then any other horse. Even though they compete at very high levels, they are still horses.
         
        01-10-2008, 01:36 PM
      #13
    Foal
    My husband raises fox hounds. We don't get friendly with the dogs because if they become too human socialized they won't hunt....i have seen it happen to a lot of dogs. Mostly with the running hunts. We don't chase our dogs. They hunt in a pen containing whatever game it is we wish our dogs to hunt. We let them out they run and we station ourselves around the pen to see which dogs are in the lead or right behind and which dogs are "cheating" by running the roads and not chasing the game. If the dogs are to friendly they will stop hunting to be petted.
         
        01-10-2008, 04:15 PM
      #14
    Foal
    My horse is like my kid. But I still get him to perform
         
        01-10-2008, 05:51 PM
      #15
    tim
    Weanling
    Haha, beast of burden.
         
        01-10-2008, 06:37 PM
      #16
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mylucalove
    My husband raises fox hounds. We don't get friendly with the dogs because if they become too human socialized they won't hunt....i have seen it happen to a lot of dogs. Mostly with the running hunts. We don't chase our dogs. They hunt in a pen containing whatever game it is we wish our dogs to hunt. We let them out they run and we station ourselves around the pen to see which dogs are in the lead or right behind and which dogs are "cheating" by running the roads and not chasing the game. If the dogs are to friendly they will stop hunting to be petted.
    exactly and that's how I started to get what my dad was saying. It really makes sense.

    And sometimes those dogs from the police stations that you pet aren't the more working dogs like most others. And why do you think (sry not to sound mean ) a person with about 50 show horses will love on each horse....i think not. It all makes sense don't you think? At first I wanted to argue its ok to play and work with your horse but the combination together lets face the facts it just wont work. Even if your horse works fine in the ring if he becomes a top show horse or anything it might not be the same as another top show horse...you get it? Its kinda hard to explain but yea I basically had to go through it a couple times in my head until I started getting it.

    Although I think there are those horses that can do both perfectly fine but most people in top shows don't do that. Basically there horses only know to do that thing they were trained for and they don't act a fool. Its just hard for me to explain. But just like I said you may still have those horses that are played with and loved that do show really good but honestly probably not like the top show horses.
         
        01-10-2008, 07:34 PM
      #17
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Jr_lover
    Well see my dad made a good point and it got me thinking about it. Big top show horses normally just get worked and put out to pasture or something. While our horses don't we pet and mess around with our horses after work.

    He said its basically like how you have police dogs you ever wonder why they wont let you pet the dogs? Because they are trained and used as a "tool" not a "pet"

    Do you get it?


    I only semi agree with this but yea it was a pretty good point my dad made. I just wanted to share it :)
    I see the point that your dad is trying to make JR but I have to disagree. I have shown horses at top level for 17years and have won multiple world titles over the years and I can honestly say that it doesnt matter to me if we have 2 horses in training or 30 - I still know them all and spend time with them, know their quirks and silly habbits, cry when they bleed, spend all night in the barn when they have an illness and mourn when they die. They are all different and if you don't know the personality of the animal, you can not achieve a perfect unison that is required to win at the elite level of the game. They do have a job to do and so does the rider, but that doesnt mean that I care any less about my horse then you do about yours.
         
        01-10-2008, 07:46 PM
      #18
    Weanling
    Yea that's what I was saying but my dad believes that when we say we need to get to know the horse or get a relationship its all stupid and crap and that its not necesary as long as you have a whip and some spurs you can do fine you just have to show them who is boss..


    Of course I don't agree fully with this....just because I don't fully think that. But yea that's a little bit of the earful I get at home :roll:
         
        01-10-2008, 07:58 PM
      #19
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jr_lover
    At first I wanted to argue its ok to play and work with your horse but the combination together lets face the facts it just wont work. Even if your horse works fine in the ring if he becomes a top show horse or anything it might not be the same as another top show horse...you get it? Its kinda hard to explain but yea I basically had to go through it a couple times in my head until I started getting it.

    Although I think there are those horses that can do both perfectly fine but most people in top shows don't do that. Basically there horses only know to do that thing they were trained for and they don't act a fool. Its just hard for me to explain. But just like I said you may still have those horses that are played with and loved that do show really good but honestly probably not like the top show horses.

    Are you kidding? Not that I am one, but I would guess that at the top level, the difference between the show horse who gets burned out and the show horse that does not is the fact that their human cares enough about them to really know them, play with them, love them, talk to them, etc. Like I Love Lane said, people who REALLY know their horses, show them better.

    Maybe I am just being optimistic...because no matter how good I got with showing horses, I don't think I could turn it into an all business operation.
         
        01-10-2008, 08:32 PM
      #20
    Foal
    When I was in Germany, I visited some barns that were a bit like horse factories, but many of the professionals that I met there interacted lovingly with their horses. There were maybe 2 trainers who were aloof, but a majority of them patted and rubbed their horses and fed them copious amounts of treats.
    I was a working student at DG Bar Ranch, one of the top dutch warmblood breeding facilities in america, and Willy Arts, the owner and trainer of the facility spoils his horses. He may not be as affectionate to every single horse, but he definitely treats his show horses well.
    I've ridden in clinics and at shows with many elite dressage riders, and most of them are very affectionate with the horses.
    I don't believe that a well loved horse can't be a top show horse. If you've ever been to the young rider championships, you'll see some outstanding horses who are spoiled rotten by their young owners. I know from personal experience that you can have a loving relationship with your horse and maintain a successful show career. My horse is my baby, and we're also ranked highly in the competitive dressage world.
         

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