Hi i have a horse named bandit if you look him up in my horses you will see him But i went to my moms for the whole summer so he got turned out and when i got back my dad got on him to see if he would buck or not......
well thats when my dad got bucked off and hurt his shoulder he is fine now but we are all to scared to get on the horse we got a trainer to get on him but we couldnt afford for her and him to keep the horse for long, so i want to know if anybody could tell me some ground work to make him the horse he used to be!!!
This is going to sound mean, but if you cannot afford a trainer to break him and are afraid of him...the best option would be to sell him and buy an older already broken horse. It will be much safer for you and your family, as well as the horse. Training is difficult and not something that can be done only from the ground unless you never intend to ride. If this horse learns bad habits from you he will become difficult to ever find a home for and may become a monster that could potentially kill you.
This is going to sound mean, but if you cannot afford a trainer to break him and are afraid of him...the best option would be to sell him and buy an older already broken horse. It will be much safer for you and your family, as well as the horse. Training is difficult and not something that can be done only from the ground unless you never intend to ride. If this horse learns bad habits from you he will become difficult to ever find a home for and may become a monster that could potentially kill you.
hey that was not mean he is for sale and i already have a horse named badger he is fifteen and bandit it is only six soooo, he has been uo for sale for two months noboddy wants him:-(
In this situation I can't really agree with Coyote. I think a bit more information is needed. In some situations you're right, but I feel like you're jumping the gun a bit here...
How was Badger before you left him to pasture? Was he well-behaved? Did he have any issues before? How old is he? How much experience does he have? How many times has he been ridden, is he an experienced horse that just had time off or was he barely broke before he was sent out to pasture?
bandit was a perfect horse before i went with my mom and he behaved good he behaved when i broke my arm and he had no rideing for 4 weeks then i got back on him and he was fine
Colour me confused for a moment. You're title asks if you can break a horse from the ground. So, is Bandit broken already and just fresh hence bucking with you'd dad, or is he unbroken and your dad (foolishly) decided to get on him?
If he's unbroken, no you can't break him without getting on him.
If he's already broken and simply fresh from his break in the paddock it would be good to know the circumstances. How experienced a rider is your dad? I know my own dad likes to exaggerate things regarding horses - if my horse has a flip out while I'm riding and my father sees it, he will go on about how my 'bronc' was leaping in the air 6 foot, with his head between his legs. When in fact it was a couple of tiny crow hops in protest to what I'm asking.
Possibly Bandit simply out in a few pigroots, which unseated your dad due to lack of experience rather than nastiness on the horse's part.
Because you are all scared of him now, I would not advise you to get on, though that is what he needs. If you get on him expecting him to buck you off, I assure you that he will buck you off.
Find an experienced friend who can stick on a horse without yanking it in the mouth, and that can ride forwards, and get them to work him a few times. In the meantime, start doing lots of basic ground control - backing up, yielding etc.
Be honest with potential buyers, you will need to drol the price if you can't even get on him to test for people. Breeding or a pretty colour means squat if he's broken but learned to buck people off. Posted via Mobile Device
Colour me confused for a moment. You're title asks if you can break a horse from the ground. So, is Bandit broken already and just fresh hence bucking with you'd dad, or is he unbroken and your dad (foolishly) decided to get on him?
If he's unbroken, no you can't break him without getting on him.
If he's already broken and simply fresh from his break in the paddock it would be good to know the circumstances. How experienced a rider is your dad? I know my own dad likes to exaggerate things regarding horses - if my horse has a flip out while I'm riding and my father sees it, he will go on about how my 'bronc' was leaping in the air 6 foot, with his head between his legs. When in fact it was a couple of tiny crow hops in protest to what I'm asking.
Possibly Bandit simply out in a few pigroots, which unseated your dad due to lack of experience rather than nastiness on the horse's part.
Because you are all scared of him now, I would not advise you to get on, though that is what he needs. If you get on him expecting him to buck you off, I assure you that he will buck you off.
Find an experienced friend who can stick on a horse without yanking it in the mouth, and that can ride forwards, and get them to work him a few times. In the meantime, start doing lots of basic ground control - backing up, yielding etc.
Be honest with potential buyers, you will need to drol the price if you can't even get on him to test for people. Breeding or a pretty colour means squat if he's broken but learned to buck people off. Posted via Mobile Device
My dad is very experinced its just ever since he started doing his flying business he didnt really have the time to ride but then i started rding and so i wanted a horse again so we got bandit he was broken and a well bred barrel horse but when i went with my mom for the summer he had to longs of a brake so we were lunging him everyday and putting the saddle on and taking it off then maybe a month or so later my dad got on him and bandit bucked my dad off my dad hurt his shoulder and lost his memory for about a day or two, (he is fine now so dont worry) but we are all afraid to get on him and we cant afford a trainer too.:-(
I would say to start from the ground. Just like you would with a young, untrained horse. Sometimes a horse that has been out to pasture for a long time needs a refresher course. Some don't, but he obviously does. How does he behave when being tacked? On the ground? Is the only problem that he bucks when someone is on his back? Did he buck when asked to go forward, or just when the weight was put on?
Another thing to consider is that he might have an injury. Have you made sure that this isn't brought on by something physical?
I have to say, I also think that the price you're asking is a bit high for a horse with any kind of problem, though... I would not pay that much for this horse.
Originally Posted by badger101 Im sorry but this horse used to be a champion barrel racer, not tryin to be mean but this horse is worth more then what the price is.
He USED to be worth more - but right now he is not. Right now he is not a champion barrel horse, he is a horse in need of some serious work (aka a project) and, as such, is not worth anything more than what the first sucker to come along is willing to give you.
He USED to be worth more - but right now he is not. Right now he is not a champion barrel horse, he is a horse in need of some serious work (aka a project) and, as such, is not worth anything more than what the first sucker to come along is willing to give you.
Start building your relationship with him on the ground, lounging, desensitzing etc...teach him to gain your respect first before you attempt to get on him...there is no such thing as a bad horse....
I think what the title should be "How to gain respect from your horse from the ground"
Yes there is lots of ground work you could do to get the horse to be more respectful, some horses need to be worked regularly or they become disrespectful by bucking/biting/rearing/etc.....so if the horse was left on pasture for a length of time he needs a good tuning up.
Sweet baby panda bears - embrace the "multi-quote" (see the little "+ button next to the "quote" button at the bottom of each post? If you click that you can go through the thread and mark the posts you want to respond to and then hit "post reply" and all the ones you multi-quoted will be in one neat and tidy posting box where you can go through and respond to each one w/out having to have ten posts)
Doesn't matter what he did in the past.. (champion barrel racer can mean anything from 4-h to NFR quality- And I am betting it is far from the latter).. You now have a horse that has sat way to long, and has started bucking people off..And admittedly scares you..And needs a trainer.. The best thing you can do is price him accordingly (far less than that dillusional price) and market him to someone who maybe can bring him back to his former glory..
Im still trying to work out how he could go from champion to green..
Doesn't matter what he did in the past.. (champion barrel racer can mean anything from 4-h to NFR quality- And I am betting it is far from the latter).. You now have a horse that has sat way to long, and has started bucking people off..And admittedly scares you..And needs a trainer.. The best thing you can do is price him accordingly (far less than that dillusional price) and market him to someone who maybe can bring him back to his former glory..
Im still trying to work out how he could go from champion to green..
To be honest, it doesn't sound like you're going to get much, if anything, for this horse.
Define "champion barrel racer." You said he has a nice pedigree. That doesn't mean "champion barrel racer" in my book. At what level did he compete?
Regardless, he's not a champion now; he's a potentially dangerous horse with behvioral problems and no training. You need to drop your price and find someone that is willing and able to put the time into him he needs.
That's why I gave her the sand idea. The horse can't hurt himself with that. And I'm taking it that her dad will help her. She's gotta start somewhere. We all need to get over what the horse was priced at and everything. The horse in this market isn't going to sell unless you can him. if people buy horses they want them broke. So instead of ripping her on the price, we need to give her a few pointers. Yeah groundwork and respect. But that isn't going to get a horse used to carrying weight again. If she has help from someone who kinda knows what they are doing, throwing some sand in an inner tube on a horses back isn't that dangerous.
I can see what you mean, and I admire that your trying to help...I just have a feeling that what you are saying could potentially be very misconstrued..and used in a detrimental way..
The best advice I could think to give would be to get the help of a trainer (or someone more horse knowlegeable)..and NO that doesn't mean you have to send the horse off for months (yes that can be a bank killer).. A training session here and there can teach you vast amounts while not killing the pocket book.. many trainers are willing to help a person out if the person wants the help.
Sorry I just feel that in this instance, these people need to be able to *see* what they need to do instead of reading about it...
Guys wanstorm horses is right thats all im asking for ya the price is high but as soon as i get suggestions from yall on how to break it again or make it a googd horse again like it USED to be i need suggestions from yall and as soon as im done doing those suggestions on bandit the horse is going to be worth 4500 dollars so please stop critizizing me on the price and lets talk about some ways to make the horse that price.
Unless he is bringing in money when he wins he is not worth anywhere near $4500. And since he was only out to pasture for a few weeks, seems like you said 4 weeks and he got this bad I highly doubt he was as trained as you say he was. Just because he could run before doesn't mean he was well trained.
Is your other horse quiet enough to pony the bucker? If so, maybe your dad could saddle up the bucker and pony him a few times before trying to get on him again. I don't know if it's a good idea for you to do this though, as I'm not sure how experienced you are.
Tiring him out the first few times before he's ridden is probably a good idea. Eventually he'll get more and more fit, though, so it probably won't work long-term. And I'm sure you're aware of this, but make sure you don't work him so hard he's injured or something.
There's definitly plenty of groundwork you can do. It's hard to suggest what to do for sure, though, without seeing why he bucked. Was he just full of beans, or was he maybe not real well-broke in the first place? Is he a cold-backed kind of horse that tends to hump up whenever he's first saddled?
I like to do basic round pen stuff with my horses, on a very long lead rope (since I don't actually have a round pen). I often even warm up my 16-year-old gelding before I get on. The first exercise on this blog is one I do a lot. But you absolutely need to make sure you are out of kicking range, especially if you've never done this with this horse before. Some horses will kick!
And here's some stuff from Louisiana State. You'll notice about 2 minutes in the horse is licking its lips, and the guy gives the horse a break. I like to do the same thing when they've made a bit of progress and start licking their lips, as they're thinking about what they've just done (or so I've been told).
Another thing to remember is that horses learn from releasing the pressure. So apply pressure until the horse gives you a positive response, then release the pressure immediately.
And you can certainly do this while the horse is saddled, to get him used to carrying the saddle again.
Most bad behaviors will go away on their own when you start doing ground work with a horse and continue doing it for awhile.......then be consistant on not one day letting him into your face and the next day not......that is giving mixed signals to the horse.......
I know you don't want to hear anymore about you asking for so much trying to sell your horse. I haven't been able to reply but wanted to share this.
Plain and simple, the horse market is just crap right now. The last horse we got was for sale at the price of $2200. They only had one person respond to their ad. When the purchaser heard about the horses bucking issue, they lost interest in the horse. The owner and the trainer decided to just give the horse away but they wanted him to go to a good home. The trainer, an old friend of ours, called us to see if we'd be interested. She knew I was pretty good with horses. Here's a pic of him:
He has a very stocky build and was trained to work cows.
Even if your horse was sold to you at your asking price, you have to remember that with anything, the value depreciates with time. Especially if things change for the worse, like training issues you're having. The only way the price would go up is if you do something to increase his training or abilities from when you got him.
Like others have said, groundwork will help you establish being his leader. He needs to understand that when you say move, he cannot question it. Once you've regained his respect on the ground, getting on him should be less of a problem. If you could find someone, not necessarily a trainer but someone that knows more about horses, help you in person. They could give you advice promptly and correct you if you're doing it wrong.
I too like Clinton Anderson. He is easy to understand and follow. If you have cable or satellite tv, RFDTV has his shows on there. There are other trainers on there as well.
I would like to wish you luck with him. Hope things turn around for you and him. Posted via Mobile Device
Something to consider in regards to your asking price - the FACT is that your current asking price is unrealistic. As such, it is likely that you are going to have this horse up for sale for some time. Every month that you have a horse for sale and it doesn't sell, it is costing you money - you have to start considering the COST of not selling the horse. Adjusting your expectations to a realistic level will save you money.
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