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post #11 of 16 Old 01-02-2012, 10:54 PM
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That is certainly a good start, but they need more than a month each. I would say at least 60 days, preferrably 90 days.
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post #12 of 16 Old 01-03-2012, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by waresbear View Post
I am not going to get into the why you shouldn't train horses without experience & all the rest. It's been said a million times on here. I will tell you one thing, it will be frustrating, unsatisfying, expensive, aggravating, disappointing and possibly dangerous. Is this what you want from horseownership? Because this is what is going to happen in all likelihood unless you're extremely lucky. More than likely, you will end up with knotheads that you can't ride, that you can't load up in a trailer & take out the community trail ride, that basically you're just feeding & getting no fun from. Think hard & deep, is this what you want?
I disagree with you waresbear. Now my horse wasn't as green as the ones she is talking about but He needed a lot of work. I bought horsemanship videos and studied them religiously... probably watched each one 10 times. The results I got out of my horse were nothing but amazing to me. I think that if you are commited enough and like lacey said never let them win, you can get your result. I'm by all means not saying it is ALWAYS going to happen, or isn't dangerous ( I always had two people watching me, just in case) but I don't agree that it is all negative like you kind of stated. The bond I have with my horse I think is as strong as it is because I did do all of it myself.

Here is the thing Steph. I feel like you aren't getting very much support here and I am sorry because I felt the same way with my horse. I think that my only warning advise to you is not to go into this thinking since you have been around horses you've got this. It isn't the case... not even romotely. And from what you discribed you seem to going about their trust issue a little to.... softy... to me.

Not to open a can of worms but the videos I studied were the Buck Brannaman videos...I had pages upon pages of notes before I even put Copper in a round pen. One of my favorite things Buck says goes something like this. "Even if you rescue a horse and it has the worse trust issue you've seen, you're not doing it any good by leaving it in a field." Basically he's saying we are emotional, and think we can win over a horse by "being there" for it. They'll trust us when they know we aren't going to hurt them... They are animals... if you don't create dominance over them now, one day they find out they are stronger than you, the minute your horse knows that.... Kiss training good-bye.

I think if you really want these horses to trust you... put them in the round pen... and make em' run. You gotta let these girls know you are in charge. And in doing that the trust will build. Think about a wild herd... all of the horses trust the stallion to take care of them. When you do this you become the stallion, and your horse knows they will be taken care of. I think you should study up on training a little more. And look around because Bubba is right... horses are livestock and workes in the Amish community... not a companion like we view our horses
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post #13 of 16 Old 01-03-2012, 12:48 PM
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I have an Amish trainer that will train them for a month at a time... wonderful man... and will give them ground manners and start to saddle break. I am thinking about sending them to him in February or early March to see what he can do for them.
Have you met with him, discussed training philosophies, spoken to other clients? I only ask because a lot of people see "Amish" and get a rainbows and butterflies view of things and just assume that they must be good people, know what they are doing, etc. It is important to do your due dilligence regardless of the background of any person with whom you are going to entrust your horses.
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post #14 of 16 Old 01-03-2012, 04:05 PM
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I agree with the assessment of Amish as workmen and trainers. I apologize for generalizations that I am about to make, because I have been taught to be fair and not to profile a group of people based on my experience with only a few. However, the Amish people live in a different world than we do, by choice. As such, they have a different set of values and standards. They use horses like we use cars/trucks as equipment and their animals are treated/trained using different techniques. I am not going to say that their methods are wrong or cruel. I will say that I wouldn't use those methods.

I live with Amish neighbors. I hope to that I can call some of them my friends and that they would return the compliment. However, I would not use their training methods for any of my animals. I have patronized a number of Amish farriers with whom I worked with side by side while my horses were trimmed/shod. I handed these men tools as they worked so I was able to monitor exactly what was being done. (I used to do my own farrier work when I was more physically able so I know what he was doing while I watched.) Some I would use again, many I would not use a second time.

As mentioned by previous members here, being Amish doesn't automatically make you an expert at anything. Not building furniture, not building houses, and not training horses. It only means that you have chosen a specific lifestyle and nothing more. There are as many people who are Amish making mistakes as there are non-Amish making the same mistakes. A word of warning: Don't simply accept their opinion as professional.

Training is very specialized and difficult and should only be undertaken by an experienced trainer, to protect you, your horse, and the trainer.

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Well guys... got both of the horses home. The one is a standard breed about 16 HH... VERY malnourished and has a temperment of around 10. She was HORRIBLE to load and unload. I think that is due in part that she was stalled with a mule. Weight wise... she is around 200-300 lbs underweight, is chewing on everything she can tough... but is not cribbing. I am going to be rehoming her due to her not being a good choice for a trail rider. The other one I brought home is absolutely amazing. She is my paint haflinger. White with brown spots. She did absolutely amazing on the trip home. She is well mannered and VERY LOW tempered. I walked her on lead and she did well. She harnessed well. My uncle has been helping me with her. We walked her forward, halted, backward halted.... as much as she would allow me. She even turned around well. She still has ground manners to learn and spooks when you simply tap the 2 rear legs... but she is an amazing horse and I wouldn't trade her for the world. I will not handle her on my own yet because we are going to be teaching her ground manners. With the Amish, yes you are right about that Bubba... I have heard good about some and I have heard bad about some... but the one we use is very gentle with them. All the people I know who send to him have nothing but positive remarks about him. He has a wonderful reputation. He feeds well when they are boarded there too. Ernie is a great man from what I have heard We are going to take "Blossom" as far as we can and then send her for her training. My uncle said we will not be buck breaking her but can work on saddle breaking after she learns her ground manners. I really do appreciate your input on this and yes.. I am green myself when it comes to horses... just because I luxury rode for a few years does not make me better than any other green rider that is out there. I am FAR from a trainer... but would like to train with a trainer to learn everything that they knew.
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post #16 of 16 Old 01-05-2012, 08:16 AM
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All i can say is good luck and I am glad you have found a trainer! I bought my mare green broke, at 6 in June, and we've been through some tough times, but main thing- I've won all the battles.

Waresbear is sorta right.. its hard work breaking a greenie, upsetting, time consuming and there will be more than a handful of times you will threaten to turn that horse in to dog meat.

Try and stay more than one month, stick around on the forums so people can help and give you sound advice!
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