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post #1 of 7 Old 08-23-2012, 08:43 PM Thread Starter
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Question How can you tell if a horse is using his hind end?

How can you tell when a horse is on the forehand?
How can you tell when a horse is using his hind end?
I was just wondering, because I want to be able to get my gelding really working off his hind end. Thanks!

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post #2 of 7 Old 08-23-2012, 09:11 PM
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Good question :)

From the ground, some simple ways to tell if a horse is on the forehand are:
1. The croup is higher than the wither.
2. The front legs land before the hind legs.
3. The horse appears to be 'dragging' itself as oposed to 'pushing' itself.
4. Generally it is stiff, little bend through the body and will hollow its back and brace its neck when it turns or does a transition.
5. The hind hoof prints will not land in the front hoof prints - aka the horse is not 'tracking up'. Ideally you want the horse to overtrack.
6. The hocks appear straight and stiff. A horse that is carrying behind will bend the hocks and lower its haunches.


Under saddle:-
1. Often the horse will be either very lazy and behind your leg (doesn't react immediately to your driving aids), or will run through your aids (appears to be 'forward' but is actually just running along, still technically behind your aids as it won't react positively to the aid)
2. You will find that the horse does not react to seat aids, and you will end up having to pull on the reins to stop or turn the horse.
3. The horse feels unbalanced, you have to work to keep yourself balanced in the saddle.
4. The horse will be stiff - you will struggle to move the horse's body, it will not bend through turns or on circles, its neck will be straight and often its body will be crooked - i.e. quarters in or out, shoulder falling in or out
5. Riding the horse is not terribly pleasureable, you are forever working and trying to stay balanced.

A horse that works off the forehand is a delight to ride. It carries you willingly forward and is 'in front' of your leg, you apply the aid and the horse reacts immediately. You will get a feeling that you are able to move any part of the horse anywhere that you want - move the jaw a few cms to the left, a few cms to the right, move the shoulders across slightly, bring the quarters in slightly etc.
Its back will swing, making it easier for your to sit on and you will feel as though the horse is a coiled spring ready to react as you ask.


This is a fairly simplified explanation, I could go into detailed dressage terminology and explanations, but I suspect that is not what you are asking at this point :)

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Thank you for the information! It was really helpful.
My gelding must be working off his hind end already. :) He's very soft and responsive, and is fun to ride.

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My gelding would love to be on his forehand ALL the time *sighs*
You can usually tell that the horse is on their forehand because it feels like they are pulling with their front end instead of pushing from their hind end.

In this video you see that if you drew a line from the horse butt to their withers that it would be uphill. Also notice that the horse has a lot of spring in its hocks and stifles. It's because they are pushing all their energy up and through their back.
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Compare that to this picture of my gelding and then draw the line from his butt to his withers- it's downhill.
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Good question :)

From the ground, some simple ways to tell if a horse is on the forehand are:
1. The croup is higher than the wither.
2. The front legs land before the hind legs.
3. The horse appears to be 'dragging' itself as oposed to 'pushing' itself.
4. Generally it is stiff, little bend through the body and will hollow its back and brace its neck when it turns or does a transition.
5. The hind hoof prints will not land in the front hoof prints - aka the horse is not 'tracking up'. Ideally you want the horse to overtrack.
6. The hocks appear straight and stiff. A horse that is carrying behind will bend the hocks and lower its haunches.


Under saddle:-
1. Often the horse will be either very lazy and behind your leg (doesn't react immediately to your driving aids), or will run through your aids (appears to be 'forward' but is actually just running along, still technically behind your aids as it won't react positively to the aid)
2. You will find that the horse does not react to seat aids, and you will end up having to pull on the reins to stop or turn the horse.
3. The horse feels unbalanced, you have to work to keep yourself balanced in the saddle.
4. The horse will be stiff - you will struggle to move the horse's body, it will not bend through turns or on circles, its neck will be straight and often its body will be crooked - i.e. quarters in or out, shoulder falling in or out
5. Riding the horse is not terribly pleasureable, you are forever working and trying to stay balanced.

A horse that works off the forehand is a delight to ride. It carries you willingly forward and is 'in front' of your leg, you apply the aid and the horse reacts immediately. You will get a feeling that you are able to move any part of the horse anywhere that you want - move the jaw a few cms to the left, a few cms to the right, move the shoulders across slightly, bring the quarters in slightly etc.
Its back will swing, making it easier for your to sit on and you will feel as though the horse is a coiled spring ready to react as you ask.


This is a fairly simplified explanation, I could go into detailed dressage terminology and explanations, but I suspect that is not what you are asking at this point :)
Fantastic explanation! My horse is a perfect example of everything on those lists (working on it)
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Good question :)

From the ground, some simple ways to tell if a horse is on the forehand are:
1. The croup is higher than the wither.
2. The front legs land before the hind legs.
3. The horse appears to be 'dragging' itself as oposed to 'pushing' itself.
4. Generally it is stiff, little bend through the body and will hollow its back and brace its neck when it turns or does a transition.
5. The hind hoof prints will not land in the front hoof prints - aka the horse is not 'tracking up'. Ideally you want the horse to overtrack.
6. The hocks appear straight and stiff. A horse that is carrying behind will bend the hocks and lower its haunches.


Under saddle:-
1. Often the horse will be either very lazy and behind your leg (doesn't react immediately to your driving aids), or will run through your aids (appears to be 'forward' but is actually just running along, still technically behind your aids as it won't react positively to the aid)
2. You will find that the horse does not react to seat aids, and you will end up having to pull on the reins to stop or turn the horse.
3. The horse feels unbalanced, you have to work to keep yourself balanced in the saddle.
4. The horse will be stiff - you will struggle to move the horse's body, it will not bend through turns or on circles, its neck will be straight and often its body will be crooked - i.e. quarters in or out, shoulder falling in or out
5. Riding the horse is not terribly pleasureable, you are forever working and trying to stay balanced.

A horse that works off the forehand is a delight to ride. It carries you willingly forward and is 'in front' of your leg, you apply the aid and the horse reacts immediately. You will get a feeling that you are able to move any part of the horse anywhere that you want - move the jaw a few cms to the left, a few cms to the right, move the shoulders across slightly, bring the quarters in slightly etc.
Its back will swing, making it easier for your to sit on and you will feel as though the horse is a coiled spring ready to react as you ask.


This is a fairly simplified explanation, I could go into detailed dressage terminology and explanations, but I suspect that is not what you are asking at this point :)
Very good post! This is very useful to me also....jumping well requires the hind end to work. A horse that "dives" over the jumps with his front end isn't as fun :)
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