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        10-28-2011, 04:32 PM
      #11
    Foal
    Have you tried bribing her? Lol I know it sounds silly but sometimes a horse may just get fed up with the same old stuff day in and day out. Try changing it up a bit with a new rutine.
         
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        10-28-2011, 06:26 PM
      #12
    Foal
    Thanks!

    Thank you to everyone who has responded. Maybe I should try a small whack if all the other suggestions don't work, I just don't like the idea of it but I suppose that is the last thing she would ever expect from me so maybe that is what it is going to take to get her attention. We don't lunge very often so I don't think it is boredom of the round pen (maybe it is!) but lately she hasnt been respecting me in the saddle and I have had 2 pretty serious accidents in the last 6 months because of it. I have read that if it is a lack of respect, to start from the ground up to gain it so that's why I am trying lunging again. I will not tolerate one more of her "accidents" because it might be a fatal one (on my part). I would love to buy Clinton Andersons fundamentals kit but I checked online about a week ago and discovered that it is $599!!!! Yeah... that's not an option right now... So I have been asking around if any friends have it... might have located one. Thanks again for all the suggestions, I certainly appreciate it.
         
        10-28-2011, 06:46 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
    I'm not saying whack your horse, but pretty much however hard you hit her would never be as hard as another horses kick. If you say move away from you she should move, if a horse said that to her she would. By stopping your aids before she moves you are training to stand still.

    I like doing work on a 12ft rope. Getting horses moving their hind, their front, to each side, and back and forward. Like others have mentioned, sometimes when a horse is reluctant to move one way moving another direction helps that. With my old horse, whenever he wasn't doing what I asked or was being generally rude I'd send him backwards, and then forwards, and then around. I don't know why but going backwards has always worked better for me than going forward as far as respect/attention goes.
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        10-28-2011, 07:05 PM
      #14
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Erfellie    
    Thank you to everyone who has responded. Maybe I should try a small whack if all the other suggestions don't work, I just don't like the idea of it but I suppose that is the last thing she would ever expect from me so maybe that is what it is going to take to get her attention. We don't lunge very often so I don't think it is boredom of the round pen (maybe it is!) but lately she hasnt been respecting me in the saddle and I have had 2 pretty serious accidents in the last 6 months because of it. I have read that if it is a lack of respect, to start from the ground up to gain it so that's why I am trying lunging again. I will not tolerate one more of her "accidents" because it might be a fatal one (on my part). I would love to buy Clinton Andersons fundamentals kit but I checked online about a week ago and discovered that it is $599!!!! Yeah... that's not an option right now... So I have been asking around if any friends have it... might have located one. Thanks again for all the suggestions, I certainly appreciate it.
    You have gotten some excellent advise here. HOWEVER-if you go at it with the thought of "prehaps I could give her a small smack..." You will never-ever correct the issue. As was said-do it once and make it count. You will most likely have to do it rarely if ever again. If you "smack her lightly" and tentatively she knows that and nothing changes. She still has your number.

    You have bee afraid to hurt little poopsie for 5 years now. This will not go away, only get worse.

    You can get CA videos on Ebay for around $30 as I recall. There are some videos you may be able to see on youtube or rent online.

    One thing is for sure-until you decide to use the pressure necessary to MAKE her do it, (I am NOT telling you to whip her) she will continue to stand there, stare at you thinking "nanny nanny booboo....you can't make me!"

    Ask, tell DEMAND. Works every time as long as you really DEMAND it!
         
        10-28-2011, 07:10 PM
      #15
    Banned
    When it comes more to discipline and her learning from you quickly (this will also mean her knowing you mean business.) When she does something wrong (no matter how long it takes) go back and do it again, and again, and again..
         
        10-28-2011, 07:31 PM
      #16
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by horsemadgirl    
    When it comes more to discipline and her learning from you quickly (this will also mean her knowing you mean business.) When she does something wrong (no matter how long it takes) go back and do it again, and again, and again..

    BUT-as soon as she gets it right-QUIT~!
         
        10-28-2011, 09:41 PM
      #17
    Super Moderator
    The example I raised earlier in this thread was of a friend of mine who IS working with a Clinton Anderson trainer, believe it or not. Just haveing a system to follow doesn't mean that you will use it correctly. If you have not INTENTION in what you ask a horse to do, the horse knows this and he operates on your intention, not whether you have this dvd or that stick or follow any particular trainer. If you still have the intention that says, "maybe I'll have to smack her, but just once" then your intention is not, "move forward, now!" Horses are amazing in their capacity to judge how strong is your committment or intention. They are much bothered when a person's actions don't match the intention. (i. E. You swing the whip, but you have no real coviction that you WILL get the desired result).

    This horse in my example is also starting to act up more and more under saddle and making the rider more and more uncomfortable around it on the ground . It's a vicious cycle, because now he knows that he will not be worked. He snaps at them, even makes small, petty strikes with his front legs and they continue to swing the stick! Why I'd lay a whip on him so fast if he struck out at me with his front legs or bit the air at me. And the longer they do this, the more ingrained it gets.

    I am not about hitting horses, and I agree that round penning incessantly causes boredom and can be purposeless. But it may also really show you the basis of your horses attitude toward you, which in this case sounds kind of like,
    "Meh, she's ok when she pets and feeds me. Whatever "
         
        10-29-2011, 01:13 AM
      #18
    Green Broke
    There is a saying about training horses. "Use as little pressure as possible but as much as necessary." Unless you are willing to use as much as necessary, that being giving your horse a whack when needed, he will learn you don't mean what you ask him or him not respecting you. You need to convince him you mean business to get his respect.
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        10-29-2011, 01:49 AM
      #19
    Foal
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    WoW that's a lot of advise, thank you again to all of you who offered me your helpful suggestions. I think the general consensus is is that I am a big pansy and let my horse walk all over me... and that's pretty much right. I will give these techniques a try and let you all know how it went :) Wish me luck!
         
        11-02-2011, 08:54 AM
      #20
    Foal
    I have a similar problem with my 4yo mare. She doesnt seem to see me as the alpha like the other 2 horses do. She will do what I ask her, but without looking at me. Is there any exercises, other than correcting her when she's wrong, that will help me establish being the alpha with her?

    And I've heard different things but is it a horrible thing to let a horse rub its head against you? && what does this mean?
         

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