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post #1 of 19 Old 06-28-2012, 02:10 AM Thread Starter
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Arrow How to do the "Whose Boss" and to Bond?

I have a 6 year old paint gelding who is green.
He's been broke under saddle and ridden and for the first couple of months I rode him he did swell, but he's bucked me off twice since then.

Now I understand I was to blame for being a inexspirenced person and riding a horse that hasnt been taught who is boss, witch leads to my question

I would love advice, tips, ideas, ect. On how to bond more with him and make he know I'm the boss.

Thank you!

(I've started reading things that I plan to try with him but I still need more(: )

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post #2 of 19 Old 06-28-2012, 02:24 AM
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a bond is not necessary to having him be respectful and safer. I think to do that you need to look at getting some training for yourself. If he's bucked you off twice already, I think that it's likely it might happen again unless the reason for it is known and dealt with . This seems like you might be best to find some help from someone to get you started on the right foot with your new horse. Someone who has more experience and can show you how to be a boss to your horse. A bond, that will come later, with time.
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I live by John Lyons round pen training- Google it- Look it up on Youtube- And reserve an entire day- Hands down the best method I've ever used.
And a reminder If your "training" ALWAYS have somebody with you Green+Green=Black&Blue or you know DEATH

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I was in a similar situation - I trialled a green 6 year old gelding at the beginning of the year. I have been riding a long time but only just getting back into it and still have lots to learn. We went well for a couple of weeks but ended up being bucked off twice, and they werent small bucks either. It really shattered my confidence and after a bit of thinking and a few posts on here I decided not to take him. Ended up getting a been there-done that 17 year old gelding who is better suited to me.
I think getting some experienced help is a must to prevent any bad habits from becoming ingrained and to keep you as safe as possible.

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post #5 of 19 Old 06-28-2012, 08:33 AM
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"Who's boss" is not the way to you want to approach it. "Who's the leader" is more appropriate. Never approach with aggression or a high head. Respect and fear are two completely different things. Get someone experienced to help you and assure he respects you on the ground before you get in the saddle again.
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Did he buck when you were cantering? When he's wearing his halter, hold it near the ring with you standing by his shoulder, and ask (don't force) him to bring his nose to you. He may object and want his head straight and that's ok. Just keep asking and he will eventually do it and even hold his nose there . Then do the other side, which might be more resistant. This exercise is teaching him to relax his neck and poll. Only when he does both side well, do you mount up. Then do it from the saddle, until you don't feel any resistance. Once you have that, tip his nose a little to the left, move your left heel back about the length of your foot and press it into his ribcage. He should take even a partial step sideways. As soon as you feel him moving, take you heel off. Practice this until he will take a few steps sideways. He may need to move forward a little as well. Practice everything for 3 days, the groundwork, then from the saddle and disengaging his hindquarters. Walk him a bit then repeat. When you tip his nose and move his hindquarters you can now bring him to a stop as he'd rather do that than move with a bent body. Be sure to immediately release that rein. Now, the first few times you ride don't ask for the canter but do practise this from walk and trot. When you do canter him, only a few strides then bend him to a stop. When you lead him, always turn him to the right. This means you are telling him to move away. If you make your turns to the left, he's telling you to move away. I certainly don't want a horse telling me what to do.
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post #7 of 19 Old 06-28-2012, 09:48 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you guys! I do have a more exspierenced person around (sadly they are lazy, and ugh just isnt working so Im looking for some one else to help me out) I found out why he bucks though, he likes to go and when pulling back on the reins he gets upset and starts to buck. Which is why I posted this, I need ground work activities to help the bond (I OWN this horse I need that BOND as well as leadership/boss). Im aware of the age old mistake of a green person buying a green horse (hey, Im living it!) I have alot of people around that can help me just need the right time (I currently board him at a little ranch, my family and I are moving in to our own house that has property so soon Ill be with him every day).

KissTheRing - I shall do that(:
Saddlebag- Ill try it out, thanks(:

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At this point, I wouldn't worry terribly about working explicitly to create a "bond." In all honesty, that great bond, relationship, whatever you want to call it, will pretty much start to happen on its own when you start to work on being an effective leader and communicator worthy of respect. Properly implemented, respect-building exercises are also relationship-building exercises. Rider/handler safety first, horse safety second, best buddies third.

Groundwork can be great -- you want to be able to control his whole body on the ground, and have him willingly and respectfully yield his body to your requests. If you don't have respect and control on the ground, getting in the saddle won't make things any better. Some specific activities to look into are backing up, yielding the forehand and hindquarters, sending exercises, and NH-style lunging/roundpenning. Saddlebag's recommendations are excellent.

Make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard. Ask, suggest, encourage/tell. Be consistent, and be effective. Reward the smallest change and the slightest try. Be a leader -- tyranny gets you nowhere, but don't take any carp, at the risk of your fella deciding that he is the one most worthy of the leadership position in the "herd."

I very highly recommend working regularly with someone who is experienced with green horses and green riders, and can help you to become an effective communicator and leader for your horse. I see that you're in the process of moving and getting things organized, but really, the sooner you get some reliable on-site help with this the better for you and your gelding.

At this point, my biggest concern would be that he may be learning that bucking is an effective way to remove something annoying and get out of work. Once a behavior like that becomes an ingrained habit, it can be tough to break. A friend of mine had a filly that learned that trick early on... before the smoke cleared they had to enlist a local bull rider to stick to her long enough to teach her that bucking isn't the way to get what she wants. They were able to work her out of it, and she became a good equine citizen, but she was a real booger for that first year or so.

Good luck, and ride safe!

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hey jazz! You know im right around the corner.. I know im not the best but im sure I can try to help! IM free most of the time! Just let me know! I might be working with blue, the new project at work!, but if not and you're at the ranch just holler, I will ask, and if I can I can come over and see if I can help!

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well my Paint whos 5 now was very pushy towards my mom and was not to me, so I worked with him and I used a derssage whip and I never hit him but I will tap him when he's in my space and when I used it for a week, he was better and when he's in my space I will tap him on the shoulder and he will back away, and my mom tried and he would step bakc for her also.. lounging helped for my moms horse work till sweaty and keep doing it everyday till he's better.
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