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        03-11-2013, 01:12 AM
      #11
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Laffeetaffee    
    I understand exactly what you're saying, but I have a question. You want your horse to learn all this.... is this because you don't know how to teach it to him or you just don't want to?

    I'm just kinda picky about training a horse that would be mine (even though I've never had one). It's your horse, you're going to be riding it, or your relative will be riding it. You're going to be feeding and cleaning up after it. It's basically like your child, same responsibilities and same love in a way. So when you send them off, they're basically learning to bond and become in-tune with someone else. Someone else is putting hard work into your project and making it the way you would want it to be. It just seems to me like you're sending off a painting to a professional painter and having them paint the painting for you.

    I understand your take and this is why *I* really only want the basics put on *my* mounts. I do believe that building the bond takes place in every aspect of working with a horse... For the pony, in particular, I don't have confidence in teaching clearly & concisely to best benefit his mind.

    I did flap around on my big FjordX for a month before giving in to convention. 1. I didn't know him well enough to trust him on the trail and wanted practical miles put on him to desensitise (back to that getting hurt issue). 2. For the life of me, I could not achieve basic bit & leg respect with this animal, regardless of what I did. I tried everything in my modest 20 year handling history, most of which has worked wonders on others. We were speaking two different languages and my trainer just taught him English, lol.

    I trade a small window of bonding time to catapult us forward into more fun and practical bonding time. I enjoy presenting trail and travel challenges and building from that. I need brakes, at the very least, and a sane mind to reason with. The trainer made him understand my hands and with a coach guiding us on the ground, I further achieved lightness, balance, bend, blah blah blah-blah. A fun winter project inside an arena.

    My son's pony is just the opposite for me. Put the technical on him and I want to put the trail miles. Different personalities. Pony wants to please and thinks everything is a good idea, Fjord wants to argue and butt heads. Both fabulous, safe partners.

    ^shrug^ getting late, thoughts are scattered. Sorry for the disorganisation.
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        03-11-2013, 01:16 AM
      #12
    Weanling
    Figured out my final answer to your question: personality compatibility. I'd rather someone hash through the stuff I have a difficult time with and allow me to prioritise my precious time as a wife, mom, (4) business(s) owner/operator, etc., doing what really stokes my goat. ;)
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        03-11-2013, 01:27 AM
      #13
    Weanling
    Whups. Left out an important part, for me. I think there's some weight to the concept of sending a youngster off to skool to learn about different environments, people handling him, etc. he can only come back more learned.

    Of course, I'm very comfortable with the trainers I've selected. No horror stories for my horses, as I know what I'm specifically looking for, having trained several myself, to varying degrees.

    Okay, bed now. I'm just pontificating.
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        03-11-2013, 01:52 AM
      #14
    Yearling
    OK YOU READ MY THOUGHTS TODAY!

    I got in an argument with a relative who owns the siblings of my two horses. I learned, studied, trained and worked hard for three years and ended up breaking and training my two young arab/qh crosses. I had a trainer TRAIN ME! And I trained my horses. I love them! BUT I get no recognition or respect for my accomplishments. So everything that comes out of my mouth they ignore!

    She wants to send her halter broke ONLY 5 yrs old and 4 yr old arab crosses PLUS their 9 yr old mother who WAS broken when they got her but never rode, so now she isnt.....to a trainer FOR A MONTH and have them DEAD BROKE! And she wants this done for under $300..... I don't think I need to explain my points, but I will....

    I told her she isnt going to get a dead broke 5 yrs old in a month. She said she would if they where worked with EVERYDAY. I replied that my horses have been worked on EVERYDAY and they are no where near dead broke. THAT TAKES TIME! SPENT IN THE SADDLE RIDING! She said if someone did it for a living then they could... which she isnt going to find a trainer who does this for a living that will charge that LITTLE and get back a dead broke horse.... AND I don't believe that can be accomplished in a month!

    SECOND! She told me she was using a bit for them bc that's what the Bible says... something like "the bit controls the horse". AND I KNOW she says this bc my gelding is in a hack/sidepull. I pointed out that a hackamore IS a bit.... It's called a HACKMORE BIT... but she didnt agree, so I pointed out that alot has happened in the ways of horse training since the Bible, but she says it can't be wrong.... OK not trying to argue religion, BUT THE BIT DOES NOT CONTROL THE HORSE! She argued that my green gelding (who does fine in the hack) wasnt under control the day before when he spooked an ran 20 feet before I stopped him... SO I pointed out that the tom thumb bit style bit I use on his sister didnt control her the year before when she did the same and I ended up unconscious on the ground! She said well... no argument, so I pointed out AGAIN THAT THE BIT DOES NOT CONTROL THE HORSE! Using Julia Goodnight riding bittless and bareback as the example saying "Is her horse not under control? She said it was different bc she had time to train and she, herself doesnt. I said, well, that's beside the point. A horse will go through any bit you put in it's mouth, but you train it NOT to and to respond to YOU. A bit is only to guide a horse, not CONTROL it.... Your training is what makes it do what you want, NOT THE BIT.

    She said she can't get thrown by any of them. So I pointed out that's why most people in their late 60s don't get young horses, LET ALONE arab crosses.....LOL....


    She of course acted like nothing I said went to her brain, and I was irritated, bc I have succefully trained my horses.... AND I don't think she will keep up on riding them to begin with once they are broke.... IDK someone BACK ME UP HERE!
         
        03-11-2013, 01:52 AM
      #15
    Trained
    I used to train for the public, but I have sent my horses to other trainers as well for specific things. A few years ago, I wanted to learn to jump, I had only taken a few jumping lessons years before, not enough to start training my horse to jump. So he went off to a trainer's for a few months to learn, the trainer took him to a few shows in low jumper for me as well. I started all my young horses, but I have sent to them to a reining trainer for a few months after I have started them because she is an awesome trainer, and I like my horses to have some reining basics even though I don't do reining. I can start the horses with the basic under saddle training, etc, but I don't feel qualified enough to train beyond that, I can go to a coach & learn to do it on my horse but I would like my horse to be taught to do those things by someone experienced first. If that makes any sense to you.
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        03-11-2013, 02:04 AM
      #16
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Laffeetaffee    
    I understand exactly what you're saying, but I have a question. You want your horse to learn all this.... is this because you don't know how to teach it to him or you just don't want to?

    I'm just kinda picky about training a horse that would be mine (even though I've never had one). It's your horse, you're going to be riding it, or your relative will be riding it. You're going to be feeding and cleaning up after it. It's basically like your child, same responsibilities and same love in a way. So when you send them off, they're basically learning to bond and become in-tune with someone else. Someone else is putting hard work into your project and making it the way you would want it to be. It just seems to me like you're sending off a painting to a professional painter and having them paint the painting for you.

    I shared a horse with another rider at a school, and we had a marvellous bond-- so did the other person that rode the horse.

    A horse doesnt only bond with a single person for the rest of its life, it can have many different bonds with many different people.

    We would always switch up the horses we rode (friends and me) and create new bonds-- in my personal opinion its better to have a horse that is properly socialized with many different humans, and horses, than a horse that has only been around/ridden by a single person.

    "Bonding" can happen at any time-- you can tell me to hold your horse at a show, and we will bond. Its the relationship you establish with the horse. :)
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        03-11-2013, 02:04 AM
      #17
    Started
    In my case, I adopted a 7 year old unbroke mustang mare because she's a darling of a horse and I feared that someone would take her, never get around to starting her under saddle, and just leave her to waste away. She's at the age where it's not going to benefit her to dwaddle any longer than necessary getting her under saddle. I don't have any actual experience starting a horse under saddle, I don't have the appropriate facilities (ie a round pen), and I'm a full time college student. All of those things mean that I would just end up dwaddling and wasting more time before getting her actually started. It just made more sense for me to polish up all of her ground manners, then ship her off to a trainer (who I KNEW I could trust).

    This is her second month of training and she's a rockstar... doing all three gaits and going on trail rides like a pro. She's getting all of the foundation she needs, and next month she'll be coming back so that I can continue her training my way. She'll be ready at that point to be ridden in an arena and on basic trails, and she'll be up to my level of riding experience (I've ridden and trained really really green horses, just never started from scratch myself). I really do think that this has been the best arrangement for her and for me. The trainer is making it possible for my horse and I to "meet in the middle" and carry on. I understand the sentiment of the horse being a reflection of their rider's soul. Fortunately I think that my mare will certainly become a flawless reflection of mine, as I have every intention of taking her on all kinds of adventures with me throughout spring and summer.
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        03-11-2013, 02:08 AM
      #18
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hemms    
    Whups. Left out an important part, for me. I think there's some weight to the concept of sending a youngster off to skool to learn about different environments, people handling him, etc. he can only come back more learned.

    Of course, I'm very comfortable with the trainers I've selected. No horror stories for my horses, as I know what I'm specifically looking for, having trained several myself, to varying degrees.

    Okay, bed now. I'm just pontificating.
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    Okay so in the short of it... you send your horses off to training because there are some issues that you yourself can't or don't want to spend the time fixing, you would like to send them to someone who you're sure will get it right and in a decent amount of time so that you can then move on to any other training you would do like jumping/dressage/reining etc? And you also would like to spend less time teaching horses basic things and more time doing what's more important in your life like parenthood and work. And in the end, it actually does more good with your horse because your horse is having his reins passed from person to person and getting experience with all different kinds of people.

    Okay I think I get it. I personally just wouldn't be happy with doing it because I haven't had children and horses take up a good chunk of my interest. Almost everything I do involves them somehow, I'm even aspiring to become a publications editor for a horse magazine (guess someday I'll really have to buy a horse =/ ). It just wouldn't sit well with me to decide that I want to own and take care of a horse and then just send him off to someone else while they do all the leadership-building and bonding and teaching. As a horse owner I would want to do the majority of the training since I took him in and promised that I would take care of him. If I couldn't do it, then I would make sure that I learned to, even if I had to go through as rigorous training as my horse in order to understand.

    It's like... if I had to compare, my sister-in-law split up with her husband and got a very demanding job in order to make enough money, so she had to send her kids to live with her parents. About a year later, she broke down and just cried because she realized that she wasn't actually raising her kids, they were being raised by her parents and she was missing out. Sure, the kids were in good hands and learning good behavior and school, but their mom was missing out on it. That's kinda how I would feel if I was to send my horse to training, I wouldn't mind the help, but I'd be missing out on the horse making huge strides and learning new things and bonding while teaching the horse. There's nothing like buying a bossy or frightened horse and teaching him that you are a leader and he can trust you, and leading him through all kinds of exercises that by the end, turns him into a fantastic horse to be proud of.
         
        03-11-2013, 02:09 AM
      #19
    Started
    I should have sent one of my previous horses off to training, but I held on and wanted to 'train him through it'. Ended up with a rearer who I later gave away because he was too dangerous for young me to handle.

    Long story short... what exactly is wrong with a rider being unable to train their horses themselves? Not all riders are trainer quality, that does NOT mean they are incompetent, it means that perhaps they are learning, or maybe they just don't have it in them to TRAIN a horse. And not everyone sees their horse like their kid, for many they are a competition partner, or a 'tool' in their trade. I don't think it makes some one any less of a rider to want to send their horse off to training.
         
        03-11-2013, 02:10 AM
      #20
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by toto    
    I shared a horse with another rider at a school, and we had a marvellous bond-- so did the other person that rode the horse.

    A horse doesnt only bond with a single person for the rest of its life, it can have many different bonds with many different people.

    We would always switch up the horses we rode (friends and me) and create new bonds-- in my personal opinion its better to have a horse that is properly socialized with many different humans, and horses, than a horse that has only been around/ridden by a single person.

    "Bonding" can happen at any time-- you can tell me to hold your horse at a show, and we will bond. Its the relationship you establish with the horse. :)
    I see, but you were riding your horse as well. I mean when people send their horse to a trainer for several months, the horse is only seeing the trainer the majority of the time. Horses can definitely bond with multiple people, and even if they bond with one, it doesn't mean the horse won't bond again with someone else.
         

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