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post #11 of 39 Old 12-05-2012, 10:24 AM
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I don't think you could ever trust a horse like that. It reminds me of the horse in the movie Buck. I also know of someone that was lunging a horse and some one was watching. The person watching looked away for a moment turned back around and the woman lunging was laying on the ground dieing from some kind of kick or strike.
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I'd move his feet and not give him a chance to charge me...And if he did he would get a couple good WHACKS.
I have given a horse like this some very good whacks and it didn't phase it one bit and just made it more aggressive.
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What brought about this thread was the last Clinton Anderson TV episode where he (for a better word) corrected a horse like this and it brought back the memory. Supposedly, first the CA horse was sold to someone who made a "pasture pet" out of it and then it came back two years later to the seller who represented herself as a trainer, to be fixed. It was obvious that the "trainer" was incompetent and afraid of the horse. I question whether or not she ever sold the horse in the first place. The horse was virtually chasing the woman out of the round pen. Then the trainer put a large round feeder in the middle of the pen thinking she could duck behind it like a rodeo clown behind a barrel while she attempted to use a whip. This turned it into a wonderful game for the horse and he was a lot faster then she and she had to run for her life. Clinton basically went in and whipped the horse around the round pen until he got it's respect. In my case I was working with the horse at the owner's property and didn't have a round pen to work with. I threw the horse on the ground and sat on it's head every day for a week before longing it and riding it in order to deflate its ego a bit. But, as I said before, I never had a problem with it in the first place. I found out afterword that the horse had dumped another trainer off its back and he suffered a fractured vertebrae. He claimed the horse just turned out from underneath him. The woman sold the horse to a man who must have got along with him because he kept the horse for years. Three years after I worked with the horse the previous owner called me. She said she went to visit the horse and when she walked up to its paddock it charged her. He remembered her, had a total lack of respect for her meekness and hated her. Either that or he had no respect for women.

What is sad about this is that this vice usually happens with a horse that has a very high I.Q. and gets the upper hand on its handler who is non assertive. CA is correct when he states that this dominant type tests more and more as it builds confidence until it realizes how big it is and becomes viscous. As the horse becomes more domenent the non assertive owner becomes more fearful which only encourages the bad behavior which can be charging, biting, kicking or striking. These horses are so rare that the average horse person never sees one which makes them more dangerous.

I agree that a truly vicious horse should be put down. Clinton stated that he could make this horse into a wonderful horse but that if it was sent back to a non assertive person it would soon revert back to a horse that had the propensity to kill someone. I totally agree. One of the problems I have with the TV series is that Anderson is made to look like this miraculous horse whisperer who can fix any problem in an hour. Clinton rarely states how many days he has worked with a horse. In this episode between commercial breaks the round pen went from having dry footing to being a muddy mess. In another episode between commercial breaks the wild horse went from having a ratty, unkempt appearance to having a pulled mane and trimmed feet. This isn't taking anything away from Clinton. He does get miraculous results just not always in an hour's time.

While the vicious horse is rare the ill mannered horse is not and ill manners are usually the result of the same cause, an unassertive, uneducated owner who is inconsistent or non existent with their discipline. An asserive handler gives a tap on the lead rope without even thinking about it when their horse steps out of line and seldom has to do more. The non assertive handler does nothing and soon has a problem horse that is difficult to work with.
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post #15 of 39 Old 12-05-2012, 02:28 PM
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I saw that episode too. I have to admit, that woman running from the horse was rather comical. He had her number and had it on speed dial.
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I dont think its the horses fault....It's the people <<---- Not knowing what they are doing or should do.
It's ppl like this that need to learn all they can and not just go off of a whim~ If you dont know what your doing get out of it.

"The horse I believe needs to go to knowledgeable hands."

I would never say put the animal down....
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Originally Posted by churumbeque View Post
I have given a horse like this some very good whacks and it didn't phase it one bit and just made it more aggressive.
If your just standing there and hitting him then yea he would get more aggressive..Depends on the ground work situation..I would have to see the scenario to give good advice.

eliduc I seen that episode and I was dieing laughing! Because that woman was no trainer....Just like you said she was very incompetent..
And your right it does take more than just an hr to work w/a horse and get the response that you want. (depending on the situation and what your trying to correct)
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Too bad you missed that CA episode. I was very impressed by the way he got that horse back in line. That horse was seriously running around that pen thinking that man with the bull whip has lost his mind. You could tell that woman was still very afraid of him, but kudos to her for getting back in there and trying to work the problem. I agree with what Clinton said about aggressive horses. Sure they can be worked with, but if you just put them back with a wishy-washy owner who is going to send mixed signals, it would just be a matter of time before the horse resumed the party.
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post #19 of 39 Old 12-05-2012, 09:28 PM
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Why do I think this woman has gotten in to so much trouble with this horse because she wants Precious to love her? If you were full of confidence but non threatening the horse respected that and was fine. Unfortunately unless you have a serious talk with this woman and find out about her relationship with this horse she needs to distance herself from it. It's almost like he sees her as a predator and is attempting to drive her off. He sure wanted her out of his space which apparently was farther than the length of the lunge line.
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Yeah, I have to say I have no interest in working with a horse that is that aggressive. And to be honest, probably don't have the skills either. It's easy to say we'd do this or that, but I think reteaching a horse that messed up is harder than training it right in the first place.

My dad has a somewhat pushy horse he bought from a horse trader. We have no idea who the previous owner(s) were, but someone either spoiled the hell out of the horse or abused him (or maybe both). He's actually turned out to be a really great, quiet saddle horse. Beginners can ride him, I can pony colts on him, and he's an absolute pro.

But I don't totally trust him on the ground. It's too bad, because I think if he'd been handled properly from the beginning, he likely would have been a good kid's horse. As he is, he needs an experienced owner to handle him for simple things like deworming, even though he's quiet under the saddle.
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