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        12-05-2012, 10:05 PM
      #21
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    It requires A WHOLE LOT of energy to work with a horse like that........I've worked with one that was soooooo mad it roared at me as it ran around on the lunge line.....and I have to admit, I was scared of it on the inside, but I had to treat it like the threat it was.....so self preservation came in and it was either fight or flight.....I chose fight, and I won, but was glad that the horse was in the hands of a more experienced trainer (which I am not) who really showed me how bad a horse can get then schooled me in handling it.......however I prefer to deal with horses that would rather not kill me
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        12-05-2012, 10:07 PM
      #22
    Showing
    For me, I couldn't say one way or the other without handling the horse myself. There are so many reasons why a horse may be aggressive.

    Just on the info provided, I wouldn't go so far as to say that he needed to be put down, but he'd sure need to go to a home that was knowledgeable and capable. However, if a suitable home couldn't be found, then perhaps euthanasia would be a better outcome than other options.
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        12-06-2012, 01:08 AM
      #23
    Yearling
    Why do you ask? If it's because you want to learn to work with tougher horses, watch guys who are good at it. Or attend the school of hard knocks. Most guys who are good, have done both.
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        12-06-2012, 12:41 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    The woman who owned this horse was a novice and smart enough to know that she could never handle this horse. The horse evidently went to a new owner who could handle it but it did not fix the problem as evidenced when he charged the previous owner three years later. What happens if the owner sells the horse to someone else? For those of you who say, "I would never put the horse down..." what about the vetrinarian or the farrier who has to work on this horse. Are you going to put their well being in danger every time they have to put themselves in a vulnerable position? There may come a time when we have to make a hard decision. In 1975 I was shoeing school horses at an equestrian center. I bent over to pick up the front foot of a little black horse. It jumped sideways and viciously cow kicked connecting squarely with the outside of my knee. I was hospitalized and incapacitated for months. The owner said, "You must have done something wrong to make it act that way." Two years later an 11 year old girl was tying the same horse before or after a lesson and it sat back. Her hand was caught in the rope and four of her fingers were amputated. There is also a question of liability. It is no different than if you own a vicious dog and you know it is vicious and it bites someone. You are liable for the damages.
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        12-06-2012, 12:46 PM
      #25
    Weanling
    If a horse did that to me.. a bullet would be what the horse would get.

    To many good horses in the world to deal with an outrageously aggressive horse like this IMO.
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        12-06-2012, 01:18 PM
      #26
    Green Broke
    Didn't read all of the replies yet, but I would put it down. Sounds like the horse in Buck the documentary. They put that one down after it took a chunk out of Bucks helpers head!
         
        12-06-2012, 02:12 PM
      #27
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    Agree with others who would or would seriously consider euthanasia. While the horse might be manageable in skilled and experienced hands, a truely really aggressive horse will never be 'safe.' (Not counting pushy or naughty horses, just those rare truely aggro ones) There are plenty of non aggressive horses out there, so unless the owner has a strong personal desire to keep and manage the horse, it's better for everyone to have it destroyed.
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        12-06-2012, 05:04 PM
      #28
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Makoda    
    Personally I'd put it down. Too many good horses to mess with ones like this. Not just saying it either I have worked with them. Horses like this need someone who is very experienced to handle them, but anyone with experience knows that a horse like this isn't worth the time.

    It will just hurt somebody or something

    I worked one like this for a lady. Got the horse doing really well. She sold it and it happened again later on, ever since then I felt like my work with that horse just led to someone else getting hurt. Sure I handled it fine but then people thought I had changed it and got too relaxed around it and it happened again. So I say kill it before it kills someone else. Those horses do have a purpose in life, they make good dog food.
    I am not trying to make this sound rude or anything, but there are people out there that would do anything to save a horse. Even if it means having a dangerous animal, they will still try and fix it.

    Many people I know and many people I don't know, have saved a horse like this from being put down for this specific reason, and have fixed them, they made the horse trustworthy, reliable, rideable and safe for everybody.

    There is more then one option for this situation, killing it is more then likely not one of them.
         
        12-06-2012, 05:28 PM
      #29
    Showing
    I worked with a 4 yr old filly that had had little training and her owner's experience was with trained horses. He was in over his head with this one, but he'd raised her. She was put in the round pen for half an hour prior to my arrival and she was still tearing around and banging in there. I went in and made her to lots of change of direction. Now she was moving on my terms, not here. She continued to race around but that was her doing I just made her switch. It took another half hour before she showed down and started heeding. We took her out of the pen and I asked her to circle me at the walk. She got about halfway around, pinned her ears and came at me full charge. My lead was a 13' stout rope so she got to feel that upside of her jaw. She veered off until she hit the halter then wheeled around and decided to follow my direction. When she arrived at the same spot she came at me again. This didn't surprise me but after the second hard slap of the rope and again hitting the halter she decided my way was better than hers. She had tested me as best she could and lost. After that you could lead her anywhere on a loose line and she'd never crowd, pull or hold back.
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        12-13-2012, 10:36 PM
      #30
    Weanling
    As I was reading over the different posts, I was thinking of my own horses.
    My favorite horse is a 16 hand gelding, TWH that weights over 1200 pounds. He is also the herd alpha horse. This calm horse that I trust to ride anywhere and feel completely safe on, acted like a crazy horse when my husband goes near him. The first time I noticed this is when I had hurt my wrist and my husband had to help me put the saddle on him. When my husband tried to put the saddle on him, he side stepped and the saddle hit the ground. This horse has never done it with me. I don't even tie him up to put the saddle on he usually just stretches out so that I can get the saddle on because he is so tall.

    Well, my husband gave him a good swift kick to the ribs and jerked his lead rope. The horse reared and strikes out at him. My husband acted like a crazy man, just like so many others have posted that is what they would do. My horse was trembling all over by the time I got to them. I calmed both of them down. Then I stood beside the horse while my husband went to put on the saddle. The horse started trembling again and I could see his tail go between his legs. I started talking to him in a calm voice and holding his halter and rubbing him while my husband put the saddle on.

    After that, any time my husband goes near this gelding, his ears go back and he steps out of my husband’s way. My husband has tried to ride him a couple of times but the horse will rear, buck, and act like a wild horse which will set my husband off. It has been decided that the only one can ride this horse is me, that is for both of their safety. I had this horse since he was 18 mo. Old , broke him myself and no one had ever handled him but me. He was nine years old with this happen.

    My point is, if you see the way this horse acts when my husband is around you would think he needs to be put down. Yet, he is my favorite horse and I trust him completely. He has taken care of me in many situations. I also remember a comment about someone saying horses don’t feel love. I don’t know whether they do or they don’t but I do know that all my horses will leave their round bale of alpha hay to run and greet me at the fence when I come home from work. They follow me up and down the fence line when I am working in the yard around the barn. I have heard my husband tell others that if anything happens to me then he will have to bury my horse.

    He could mean, that he “gets” to bury my horse. Lol.

    Just food for thought!!!!

    To answer the question how to fix a dangerous, agressive horse in my situation is not to let my husband near him.

    At the same time I wouldn't want anyone to get hurt by a horse that they couldn't handle or trust. Just evaluate the situation and don't be in to big of a hurry to put the horse down.
         

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