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        12-13-2012, 11:19 PM
      #31
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    "After that, any time my husband goes near this gelding, his ears go back and he steps out of my husband’s way."

    See, by my standards, that statement tells me that yours is not a horse I would consider 'dangerously aggressive.' Your DH and the horse may not get along and may not be a pair that should try to work together, but the horse is not charging up to him and trying to kill him and any other random human that has the misfortune to come near. I certainly don't think a gunshot would be indicated in your guy's case! Not at all!
         
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        12-14-2012, 08:19 AM
      #32
    Showing
    When your husband reacted to the saddle falling it was in a predatory manner. He literally attacked the horse which fought back and now is leery of him. When I say predatory this is how the horse sees him. It is up to you know to teach your hubby how to make amends as there may be a time when he has to look after the horse.
         
        12-14-2012, 08:46 AM
      #33
    Showing
    If anyone reads this far, when the charging issue with the 4 yr was resolved, I also took the time to reeducate the owner.
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        12-14-2012, 10:11 AM
      #34
    Trained
    Personally, I have no use for a horse that will rear and strike out at a human. Plenty of good horses around, and many of them are barely used or will end up being put down.

    If a horse will rear and strike at a husband, might it do so to someone else? Why bother? What if a male kid walks by in a cowboy hat? - my horse Trooper once associated cowboy hats with mean people.

    My mare is a strong-willed, dominant horse. She has also never acted aggressively toward any human. She doesn't like all humans equally, but she doesn't have a malicious bone in her body.

    When you have 1200 lbs of muscle with reflexes that allow it to remove someone's head in about 0.3 seconds, that isn't the time for 'curing' a horse who is aggressive. IMHO. If you disagree, and I'm visiting you, please let me know so I can stay away from your horses. Feel free to stop by and see mine. Mia could kill me someday, but it won't be intentional if she does.
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        12-14-2012, 12:14 PM
      #35
    Weanling
    Brantly: The horse you describe is not a commited, aggressive attack horse. It sounds more like he is the victim of a bad marriage. In 45 years of working with horses I have seen marriages break up over horses. The irrational husband was jealous of his wife's horse or the irrational wife loved her horse more than her husband. In one case the wife came home to find her TWH hanging from the limb of a tree butchered for dog food to feed to their two Great Danes. The ex wife was soon living in Oregon and the husband in California. I don't remember who got custody of the dogs. I went back over the posts and I didn't see any shining examples of anyone "acting crazy." You do what you have to do to protect yourself when being attacked by a 1000 pound animal. Any successful measure that is necessary to alter the aggressive, vicious behavior so that the horse can be handled is more humane to the horse than euthanizing it. Parents who allow their children to do anything they please in the name of love are not really treating their child with love. It is no different with horses. Horses have a herd mentality and each individual seeks a place in the herd order. That is the nature of the beast. Horses are respectful of boundaries. In the herd those boundaries are established by kicking and biting. We normally use gentler methods to establish our superiority. As a farrier it is sometimes necessary to discipline a horse in order to trim it or get shoes on it. Often the horse's owner has refused to discipline it. An experienced farrier will begin evaluating both the horse's and the owner's temperament as soon as the horse is being led up to him. Some horses are so fearful and reactive that you can't even reprimand them with your voice. Some owners are so reactive that you cannot reprimand their horse with your voice. Others, (The horse not the owner) you could beat with a two by four without much response. As harsh as it seems there are times, depending on the temperament of the horse when a boot to the belly is an immediate and effective way of demoting a horse from number one to number two in the herd pecking order. This is keeping in mind that the farrier is not the trainer and has other more well mannered horses waiting for him down the road. That said, this is not the ideal solution to the problem for the farrier. What he/she should do is refuse to work on the horse, pack up his/her truck and move on to the next horse. If all farriers did this then there would be fewer fractuous horses to work on.
         
        12-14-2012, 09:13 PM
      #36
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by eliduc    
    Brantly: The horse you describe is not a commited, aggressive attack horse. It sounds more like he is the victim of a bad marriage. In 45 years of working with horses I have seen marriages break up over horses. The irrational husband was jealous of his wife's horse or the irrational wife loved her horse more than her husband. In one case the wife came home to find her TWH hanging from the limb of a tree butchered for dog food to feed to their two Great Danes.
    Eliduc, I agree with you this horse is not aggressive attack horse. I am not sure that he is a victim of a bad marriage. Yes, I think my husband is jealous of this horse. I too have seen a lot of marriages break up for a lot less than the jealousy of a horse, dog, child or another person. For some reason I feel the need to defend my marriage on the internet, top it off on a horse forum about aggressive horses, to complete strangers. But since, I am bored at the moment and don’t have anything else to do, why not. If you’re not interested you don’t have to read it. I enjoy sharing the small satisfaction that I have on training a horse that I am very proud of. So, here it goes…….
    When I got the horse he was very skinny, 18 mo, old palomino with four white socks. My husband who knows a lot about horses thought I was crazy for buying him. Although, the horse was very rough looking and moved like he had a flat tire when he was moving through the field. I talk my husband into buying him for me, I said he had potential and my husband said I just saw “Trigger”. So, the challenge was on and he bought me this horse.

    We have been married for 30 plus years and our kids are grown and we are at a new stage in our lives. So now we spend our money and time trying to train the best horse or the best dog for field trials, hunting, retrieving, etc. This gives us a lot of pleasure trying to outdo each other. Yes, we get mad and jealous over the others success sometimes but we are also very proud and quick to share with our close friends the success of the other.

    This horse, Ice Breaker, I hate to admit was the roughest riding horse I have ever own. I was ready to trade him in on anything the first year. The thought of riding even a Billy goat at times seemed like it would be smoother. But the challenge of trying to prove my husband that the horse had potential and I had the ability to train a nice horse too, keep the spirit of the competition going and me spending many hours working with this horse. When this horse turn five he came into himself. This horse is not only beautiful to look at, but has the best rack and the faster he goes the smoother he is. Now, my husband is really big on having the fastest and the smoothest horse around and until this horse turn five, he did. Okay, so we live in a very small town but we are renowned for our horses. Now, my husband has looked for a horse like this one every since this horse turned five. I am very proud of this horse because I personally found him and trained him; I have seen this horse turn from a rough, skinny undesirable ride to the “perfect” horse that even my husband envies. There have been so many different people asking about him or telling us how nice he is. Keep in mind that it took four years of hard work for me to get this horse to this point and a lot of time spent with this horse. Yes, my husband did have some jealousy toward Ice Breaker until I got him a horse for Christmas after this situation occurred and this horse in his eyes is the better horse.
    So yes, you are probably right that it could happen, that the jealousy of a horse or a dog in our case could break up a marriage. But I think that our marriage is stronger than that. My husband is very competitive and so am I and we love each other for that. Husband and horse, I tease that they are competing for my attention.
         
        12-15-2012, 05:26 AM
      #37
    Green Broke
    Possibly horse is tired of being messed with by idiots?

    She could have spoiled the horse, given way too often, or be repeating the same thing over and over.

    And why are you using a stud chain to lunge?

    Need to learn to read horses better I would say.

    Horse is more than likely spoiled and has learned it is okay to do this.
         
        12-15-2012, 11:18 AM
      #38
    Weanling
    My best horse was an outlaw, probably a lot worse than this one. I repaired him, he is no longer aggressive to anyone.

    BUT, BUT, BUT BUT, these horses do not belong in the hands of anyone other than a professional, who know how to handle them. They are very dangerous.

    AND, AND, AND, the methods used to handle these horses should not be discussed on a public forum. Great way to get some novice hurt, thinking they can use the methods.
         
        12-15-2012, 01:35 PM
      #39
    Weanling
    Pal
    Anyone who is called to evaluate a horse they have never seen before and the only thing they know about the horse is that it charges and attacks with it's mouth and they don't put a stud chain on the horse is a complete novice idiot.
         

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