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        09-23-2012, 08:42 PM
      #1
    Foal
    How do YOU handle it?

    I have a 6 year old paint who has bucked me off three times.
    Its not all him, It the problem of me being able to stay on and ride it out.
    Sure I've been told to hold on and then work the crap out of him after but I have a problem with staying on! Haha
    I usually have help with working him after huggin the ground, I have a older family member ride the snot out of him and then ill get on. Or run his butt in the round pen till he is sweating every inch of his body, but I'm curious for more input.

    Whats your advice to help me stay on or how to work him after I hit the ground?
         
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        09-23-2012, 08:58 PM
      #2
    Started
    Well I think there's a few issues here,
    First - why is he bucking? Because he's bad or because he's in pain? Has every cause of pain been completely ruled out by professionals? Vets and saddle fitters and teeth floaters and all? Is he bucking because he's afraid or is he just being bad because he figured out how to off you?

    Second- horses can't buck very easily if their head is up - my first focus when a horse starts bucking is to pick their head UP then a tight circle. Head up is great to stop the bucking, but you don't want a rear, so immediate, tight circle. Now I'm sure this horse, as all horses, gives some sort of warning sign, an ear flick, lowering his head, stomping a hing foot... anything, whatever his warning sign is, get his head up and spin him just before he starts.

    Please get his everything checked, start with his back and saddle fit and then move on to everything else to rule out pain, most horses don't just buck cause they can. Are you asking him to do something out of his physical fitness range? Can he honestly handle the work your asking? I don't know your situation and am not accusing but not many horses buck just cause they're lazy, some do, but it's rare.
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        09-23-2012, 09:11 PM
      #3
    Trained
    Assuming there is NO pain causing this -

    I, personally, would one-rein stop him and disengage his hip aggressively. When you disengage the hip you take away his bucking power and if you do it aggressively and for extensive periods it is also a punishment. Then, forget about it, and go back to working like nothing happened.

    However, if you are not comfortable staying on, jump off and attack his hip. Jump at him. Make him run sideways. Yield his hip. Back up. Work work work. Sometimes when you jump off it scares them too, like "HOLY CRAP, HOW DID MOM GET DOWN THERE?"

    That would be my plan anyway. ^^ Good luck!
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        09-23-2012, 09:12 PM
      #4
    Green Broke
    What exactly are you doing or trying to get him to do when he bucks you off?
         
        09-23-2012, 09:18 PM
      #5
    Trained
    Bucking out a horse???? Not me, never, ever and I used to train for the public. Are you aware that getting dumped off a horse, although rare, can seriously injure or kill you? Take this horse to a trainer and save yourself the torture. Working a horse to the point of exhaustion is not the answer, sure he probably won't be as eager to buck, but he won't be as eager to learn anything either. You want a nice riding horse with manners, get a trainer who can work with you, life is much better that way.
         
        09-23-2012, 09:22 PM
      #6
    Yearling
    The way to stick when they buck is to try to relax, as hard as it sounds, and is, when they buck, but you just have to relax and go with the flow. And it’s pretty much a given that if you are riding a lot of young horses you are going to get thrown (some of my horses didn’t actually start having a buck till they were ridden for a year or two, sometimes they just do it for fun, or just to play with you). Gotta admit though, after I hit 30, the ground looks a lot further away than it used to, and I swear it has gotten harder too.
    I have found a very good way to cut it out of them, even in mid buck, is to have them very soft so that you can disengage their hindquarters. I.e. As their feet are coming off the ground bring the left rein up to your belly button and apply pressure with your left seat bone to -thigh-calf-ankle heel/spur (as far as you need to go) if you have their bits and pieces nice and supple it’ll pull the buck right out of him/her. They need to be soft and respond to it all to begin with, but doing it will also disrupt their alignment even if they aren’t so soft on it, it just won’t be as effective as it could/should be and you may need more pressure to achieve it.
    As for teaching them that bucking is bad, I’m not convinced that hitting the work up them is always the best way; mainly for two reasons. Firstly, if they don’t associate the work with what they did wrong in the first place they kind of miss the point of the punishment, personally I think it’s better to deliver the punishment as they are bucking; and secondly, because the last thing I want is for a horse to associate work with anything unpleasant and get sour on it. Probably the best thing to do is to just nip it in the bud as I described above, or if you miss the timing, or they aren’t quite soft enough, just ride them till the give up, some horses, if they get a win on you, will do it more, but if you beat them they will usually start to give it up. If, however, it gets chronic and they do it every time you get on them for example, you can get on them in some heavy sand. I’ve always found a sandy dry creek bed for it, it makes it much harder for them to buck and much easier for you to ride it out of them (and the landing is softer if they throw you); in the few times I have had to try this I found they give it up pretty quick after you get a few wins in some thick sand. Then there’s always the ones who do it for a bit of fun because they feel good too, it’s not always malicious.
         
        09-23-2012, 09:29 PM
      #7
    Foal
    First off no, he isnt in any pain.
    Secondly, he is bucking me because he has figured out I can't stay on once he does so. Thank your for the advice Punk.

    Sorrel- Im not afraid of being bucked off or any thing haha I enjoy it but I enjoy staying on and just riding more. What do you mean exactly by disengageing the hip?

    Usandpets- Im just trying to train/ride my horse(with supervision of course) Like I said he has figured out he can buck me off.

    Wares- Actually I happen to be aware. Thanks... first off I have already been bucked off and got a concision, I wear a helmet now no matter what. Secondly, trainers cost money, money isnt as easy to come by as we all wish it was. Yes, horses with manner are wonderful. The ranch down the road im at (very close friends of mine) are currently helping me progress with Cowboy. At the moment I was just getting.. more suggestions on the situation.
         
        09-23-2012, 09:34 PM
      #8
    Foal
    Anrew- Sorry You posted while I was typeing haha

    Thank you, that makes sense, once I run in to the situation again Ill try to pull the left rein. My horse only bucks me because he knows I can't stay on, when other ride he wont buck because he knows they can handle it and stay calm as you said.
         
        09-23-2012, 09:42 PM
      #9
    Yearling
    Yeah, while I was typing Sorrell posted about disengaging the hip, it’s essentially the same as what I was talking about with the left rein/left seat bone to heel thing. (can be the right side too, just the rein and the seat/leg have to match up, so if you use the right rein you use your right leg and vice versa). And, yep, they can be funny things, they will suss out the person on their back pretty quick and will try all sorts of shenanigans if they think they can get away with it; doesn’t mean they are bad, just screwing with you. And it can be very hard to stay calm and relax, but you’ll get it with practice, not necessarily bucking out a horse all the time, none of us want to have to do that, but just ride a lot, relax in the saddle and have a good independent seat and it will come. Good luck.
         
        09-23-2012, 09:52 PM
      #10
    Foal
    Thank you so much Anrew!
         

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