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    04-07-2009, 02:59 PM
Originally Posted by bsdhorse    
I'm reselling my new horse back to it's previous owners. He puts his ears back and is very agressive towards me. They said they hit him and he behaves. So I tried, only giving him a light tap and ever since then he has tried to kick me several times.

When he is not nervous looking and putting his ears back, he looks like he is drugged up. He seems slow and always looks like he is half asleep. Is it possible that the previous owners may have hit him a lot and it has broken his spirit?

I'm new to horses but I always thought that you are never supposed to hit them.

I think that when your horse is acting slow or sleepy he is "checking out" he is leaving you mentally and just isnt there anymore. Horses can do that alot and I've seen it more in horses that have been abused. Like mine.
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    04-07-2009, 05:51 PM
^^That's very true. Horses will "check out" when they feel too much pressure...this is called going introverted, and in extreme cases the horse can go catatonic. Very sad, and also can be very dangerous.
    04-07-2009, 07:36 PM
I have never heard of a horse "Checking out", I guess we all learn something new.

I would say that they have been abusive to him and he now thinks everyone is going to hurt him so he is defending himself. How long have you owned him for?
    04-07-2009, 11:43 PM
Nearly two weeks. But every day he seems to get worse.
    04-08-2009, 01:00 AM
I think he may be trying to see who is the boss, I would give him a couple of more weeks. He just needs to learn to trust you, lots of ground work and grooming is good.

I'm not very experienced myself I so I can't help much, but it does sound like he is testing you out. From my experiences they usually stop being huge brats after about a month. Just give him a bit of time to settle and get to know everyone.
    04-08-2009, 02:36 AM
You know I agree with crazychester about him trying to be the boss.

When I got my horse Gypsy, she was my first horse and it was awful! She also had abusive handling in her past and she was a reck before she came to this barn. But when I got her I was honestly going to sell her because she was just so darn mean and we were butting heads so much. It was really hard for me because I was still learning, well learning about horses and training. So it was a huge jump for me and it was hard to get over it. But I had lessons with ground work. I took a class horse 101 and it was just ground work and riding.
Is their anyway you can take lessons?
Just don't let him take over. Any horse will push buttons and try and find that spot. You just have to know when they are doing it and how to correct it properly.
    04-08-2009, 06:37 AM
I have already organized to re-sell him back. Problem is, we have 3 other new horses and they are nothing like it...

When I find another horse, I will have training from the first moment I'm with him. That way, I know what to do from the start.

It's hard to do any groundwork, or grooming. You get within 10 feet of him and he tries to kick me. Every day it gets worse. It's now at the stage where my dad is too scared to be anywhere near him. He avoids the yard he is in.
    04-08-2009, 02:50 PM
Im sorry it didnt work out, horses like that need someone who can handle and look for that challenge. Its fun when your younger and get those project horses... Once I sell Gypsy Im going to get a project horse.

Hopefully you find the right horse for you and you can just play around with it. Good luck!
    04-10-2011, 08:57 PM
I have a question, Just recently Me and my mom had to have out horse 'High Boy' put down. HHe was a pasture pal for my pony Baylee and they were very close. We introduced horse a few months before High left so my pony wouldn't be lonely, but I've noticed that my pony isn't happy or as sassy as she used to be.

I know the she is now very close with the new horse but she gets bossed around and has lost weight due to getting kicked off her grain. My mom and I have been separating them now when they eat but nothing seems to be making her happy.

Is there anything I could do to help her feel better?
    04-10-2011, 09:53 PM
Originally Posted by farmpony84    
A horse can be well behaved, have excellent ground manners, and even work like a "machine" and still not be broken. IF it is trained properly. It usually takes a lot of time and sweat to get them that way and that is why some people will opt to "break their spirit".
FP I have to comment on your post. Reteaching horses takes a lot more time than teaching them correctly to begin with - no question. However, teaching a horse correctly does not take any longer. It all boils down to how competent the human teaching the horse is. That is the problem there aren't many competent trainers. People who resort to violent and abusive teaching methods are completely incompetent. Where knowledge ends abuse begins.

I'm sorry to hear that your horse had to suffer an incompetent trainer. There are way too many out there. Most horses recover but not all and it really just depends on just how much they endured and how sensitive they are. Time and patience goes a long way just like other people have said.

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