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        04-10-2011, 09:13 PM
      #31
    Weanling
    When my mom got her mare she had been a broodmare and when she got hurt in a trailering accident her owner just left her for years in a paddock with no contact. She was fed and had her feet done occasionally but no affection or care. She was sooo depressed when we got her! And just far away. Like there wasn't much left anymore. Because she was hurt when he left her and never got any care(she never trailered well, was backing off a trailer and slipped, one hind leg got caught under) she could barely walk. My mom spent HOURS everyday just being with her, brushing her, hand grazing her and never asking anything of her at all. Eventually she got her walking and she recovered almost entirely and her spirit came back full force! Now she runs, bucks, plays and loves my mom more than anything, shed jump the moon if my mom asked. I think things like join up and just plain old ground school could work wonders but even without Pebbles came back. You just have to keep the hope!
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        04-10-2011, 10:21 PM
      #32
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Jessabel    
    You can tell because they'll have a lifeless look in their eyes, like they just don't care about anything anymore. Breaking a horse's spirit is not the way to train them. They do it all the time in Spanishland and it makes me sick. You're not a true horseman if you have to beat a horse into submission.

    You know, it's interesting how a horseman vs a "normal" person with little experience will veiw this subject.

    My husband and I were on a walk one day, and three guys came riding by on their horses; I had seen these people from way off (you know, cause I'm a horse crazed woman, and can "smell" horses from a mile away)...well even from afar, I could tell there was no true partnership/horsemanship going on between these horse and riders.

    The rider who was in front was on a big gelding who was SO tense, and his 'canter' if you want to even call it that, was more of that super "hot gaming horse" hop...you know how alot of gamers hop into the ring, instead of lope, or trot? His eyes were showing the sclera, ears back, sweaty, and he was very tense against the bit. Hubby thought it was cool...I was disgusted; he was like, well that's just not how you train...darn straight that's not how I will EVER train a horse...I want my horse to actually enjoy his time with me, not be 'controlled' by a heavy bit, and whatever other means it took to get that horse 'that' amped. Only one of the horses in that group showed relative relaxation, and even he wasn't that relaxed. It's times like that I wish I were on the trails with my mare, so I could ask them just how much their horse would be willing to do for them, without force... I've put my mare into some pretty weird situations, and have never had to do more than click to her after giving her a chance to realize I wasn't going to put her in danger, and she dove right in...
         
        04-10-2011, 10:28 PM
      #33
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by TKButtermilk    
    When my mom got her mare she had been a broodmare and when she got hurt in a trailering accident her owner just left her for years in a paddock with no contact. She was fed and had her feet done occasionally but no affection or care. She was sooo depressed when we got her! And just far away. Like there wasn't much left anymore. Because she was hurt when he left her and never got any care(she never trailered well, was backing off a trailer and slipped, one hind leg got caught under) she could barely walk. My mom spent HOURS everyday just being with her, brushing her, hand grazing her and never asking anything of her at all. Eventually she got her walking and she recovered almost entirely and her spirit came back full force! Now she runs, bucks, plays and loves my mom more than anything, shed jump the moon if my mom asked. I think things like join up and just plain old ground school could work wonders but even without Pebbles came back. You just have to keep the hope!
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    I agree...sometimes folks DO put too much stock in a program, when what a horse really needs is just someone who is willing to spend the time rehabbing him. Yes, there ARE good things that come with good horsemanship principles...but I think we tend to forget that some of that horsemanship involves just spending time with your horse. I spend just as much time grooming, and taking my mare for walks as I do doing ground work and riding...and last year for 5 months (when I was sick), that's ALL I pretty much did, because I was afraid to do much more than love on her, for fear of me injuring myself...so we took alot of walks (she was MY physical therapy...haha).
         

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