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post #1 of 9 Old 02-10-2010, 06:11 PM Thread Starter
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Angry how frustrating

Ok so I've been riding for a while...used to show in hunter jumper competitions and win ribbons. Got out of it for a while, back into it, back out of it...but I've been riding again for over a year and progressing well (in my opinion). I am leasing at this barn where I can ride any horse she has for sale 2x a week. I'm more partial to stocky breeds like quarter horses and paint horses, but I realize I need to 'expand my horizons' and try riding different breeds, horses etc...SO I go out to ride today and the horse I have ridden the last couple times had been sold so she suggested I try a TB that has been for sale for a while. He jumps and everything, his owner just doesn't have time to ride him a lot. So I figured I'd give it a go. The woman who owns the place, who suggested I try him, told me he pins his ears back when you ask him to trot because his feet were sore for a while due to wet weather but he now has shoes on him and he's perfectly fine, so just 'push him through' the ear pinning and he'll be fine. So I was a little excited to ride such a 'well trained' horse that I could get back into jumping with. I got on him and walked around for a bit, made sure he was listening to me and then asked him to trot. He pinned his ears a bit and tossed his head up, but I continued to ask him and I got a bit of a jog out of him for 1/4 of the ring and then he just stopped and refused to trot anymore. He would pin his ears, toss his head up and if I continued to ask he would turn his butt in and kick out with one of his back legs. So I told the woman he wouldn't do anything. She lunged him and he acted like an ass, but proved that he could MOVE. So she got on him. Walk, no problem. Trot, tossed his head for a second and pinned his ears back and then trotted on as asked. She even got him to canter! So I'm not one to be 'beaten' so I said I'd give it another go. Thinking he just got 'warmed up' and he'd be fine. He absolutely refused. he would walk but as soon as I asked him for more he would continue his little tantrum act. She said just to get a different horse because he was obviously just 'pushing my buttons' and I was obviously going to get hurt (she didn't say that but I could see it). Anyway, it's really frustrating to see someone hop on a horse and see it behave and then you get on and the horse wont do a THING! Have you guys had that experience?
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post #2 of 9 Old 02-10-2010, 06:37 PM
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My horse behaves very well with me and a couple of friends, but some people he is a jerk to. Not that they do anything different, he just doesn't like that person. That could be the same situation. I mean, we humans don't get along all the time with others, so why not a horse? It's happened to me a couple times. I really try and bond with the horse so we get along better.
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post #3 of 9 Old 02-10-2010, 06:48 PM
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May be he's not used to you or you asked too much from him. Yes, I know horses should be OK with the rider, but... You just never know.
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post #4 of 9 Old 02-10-2010, 06:50 PM
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A friend of mine used to lease a horse who did something similar. She'd walk him around and as soon as she wanted to get him working, he'd swing his haunches in, toss his head and REFUSE to move. He'd just stand there as still as a statue. After a few times of this happening, we realized that you literally just have to demand that he moves, as long as he is 100% for sure not in pain, then he is just being a jerk. Just be prepared for anything, just in case the horse bucks or something. After a while it should get easier to tell when he is going to do it, so you can start demanding he moves forwards before he even starts being a jerk.
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post #5 of 9 Old 02-10-2010, 08:58 PM
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Yep, my TB does the same thing to some people. He's a snob, more or less. He moves okay for me, goes FABULOUS for our trainer, but won't listen to anything the western trainer I wanted to use has to say. I think it has to do with the attitude you approach him with.
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post #6 of 9 Old 02-10-2010, 09:10 PM
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Been there, done that, only it was my horse and I was thoroughly embarrased. She was progressing so well in her Dressage training, that Elaine asked if she could use Zierra for lessons - for her more advanced students so she could begin teaching them how to train a horse. I said sure, great experience for Zierra and free training!

NOT. She used her once. By the end, the woman walked up and asked how in the world I managed with such a stubborn worthless horse. She literally could not make her move more then three feet without her pitching a bucking fit in place. Even after giving her a spanking with a whip, the entire lesson was sluggish, slow and riddled with fits.

I'm happy to say she's not quite such a one woman horse now, as I find it to be a horrific habit in a horse. But I definately wouldn't feel bad - it's amazing how finicky horses can get. This woman had about 20x more experience then me, and Zierra just flat out didn't respond to her. It had nothing to do with being a good rider, it had to do with not being her owner!

I hope God tells her to smash her computer with a sledgehammer.

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post #7 of 9 Old 02-10-2010, 10:36 PM
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He-he. "stubborn " is not that bad. Jemma was bucking on walk, then trot, then canter almost dismounting my trainer (and she's competitive dressage/jumping trainer who also starts horses and works with problem horses). Some horses are just too used to the same rider I assume.
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Well, good at least I'm not the only one! The woman who I saw get on him, was not his owner but had ridden him once or twice before. She stayed while I tried the second time getting on him to see how it went. When he started his act, even she tried to get up behind him a little and 'push' him on by growling 'geeeet!' and such, but he absolutely refused. As she said, I'm not there to train I'm there to have fun and ride so she said not to worry about riding him again...although part of me is just irritated enough to want to work with him more!
I was thinking about it last night though. My first and only horse that I owned was like that. The woman I bought her from bought her from the auction as a 'project horse' with her neighbor. Then the neighbor wouldn't help out so she just wanted to get rid of the horse. She had a few people come out and 'try' her and she tried to buck all of them off, refused to move. I basically bought her without trying her or anything, just looked at her and said "Yeah, I want my own horse!" I started riding her in the round pen and she did great, just wouldn't canter. Bounciest fastest **** trot you would ever ride, but no canter. Then I started riding her around the property, inside the pastures and such. When she started to act like she was going to refuse, I'd give her a minute to 'think about it' and then ask again and I never had any problem of her trying to buck me off. So, I GET's just never been ME before, always someone else!!!
There was a very pretty paint mare that came to the barn. The woman who owns the place didn't WANT the mare there because she doesn't 'like' mares, too difficult to work with...but I have always liked mares. So I watched her a couple times get on this mare in the arena and the mare would swish her tail madly, toss her head, act like she was going to buck. Now, this woman is an accomplished rider and trainer, so that's the only reason I kept my mouth shut...but I really wanted to ask her to let me try her. Thinking that maybe she would be good for ME because I like mares! She sold her for CHEAP just because she wanted her gone and didn't have the time to put into training her. Oh well, I should speak up sooner I guess!
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post #9 of 9 Old 02-11-2010, 07:46 PM
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Good, I'm not alone. I think most of the problem is that different horses have different thresholds as far as how much we can push them while they have us pegged in about 3 seconds. I get along far best with TBs, but put me on a QH or warmblood and it's just a waste of time. I'm just not up for the fight that some of the more stubborn breeds take to get them to move forward. Every time I ride other people's horses, it just makes me appreciate my willing to please TB all the more.

You just have to see your don't have to like it.
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