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post #1 of 31 Old 06-26-2010, 06:24 PM Thread Starter
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How to get THIS

Hi everyone. I am going to sound like a nube here but how do you get this?:

I just mean the basics like backing up when you back up side pass... I would love to do that but I have no idea where to start. What do I need? Do you think its a stupid idea? Has anyone done this?
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P.S. I don't like Clinton Anderson I just like the idea.

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post #2 of 31 Old 06-26-2010, 06:35 PM
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Why don't you like Clinton Anderson? I think he's great! And he is very straight forward on telling you exactly how to achieve what he does ;)

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I am not in the NH much.

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Then... how do you expect to get this result?

NH is supposed to create a bond between horse and human. We essentially become lead mare, and horse follows us. This is why this horse is doing this movement- he is following his leader.

Not everything in NH is "weird"... and its been used for thousands of years. Finally someone put a name to it, and its become popular.

Spent a whole hour today laying in a pasture, waiting for a sparkling vampire to show up. Alas, I woke up and looked over, only to find a mound of horse crap. Sigh.
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post #5 of 31 Old 06-26-2010, 08:11 PM
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I love the softness in the horse's following too, as well as how the stick, not sure what Clinton Anderson calls it, can be either guide or reward for what the horse does. Wish I could work his methods but I started it and the horse didn't respond well. Did it on another horse and it worked better but i'm missing something and don't have the money to find someone to show me.
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post #6 of 31 Old 06-26-2010, 09:25 PM
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I love the theory and results, but it has become such a moneymaking scheme! If you don't have the "special equipment", all the books, charts, videos, pay godawful money to get tested to be certified a certain level, etc, they want you to believe you won't get the results. That's the only thing I really have against the NH people. Money, money, money. Sorry for the vent, sore subject with me... Beautiful vid though.

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post #7 of 31 Old 06-26-2010, 09:35 PM
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I think it looks amazing. I have CAs book and am doing those things.... follow exactly what he says in the book and it is really quite simple.... basically you escalate the cues until the horse responds. Then next time you ask, your horse should respond to more sublte cues..... practice for sure.
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post #8 of 31 Old 06-26-2010, 09:49 PM
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Ah, this is perhaps what I dislike most about NH thoughts. it's not about creating a 'bond'. That's what they tell you to sell their sticks, their halters, and their tapes.

It's about creating a language that the horse understands, so that you can get what you want more easily. 80 percent of people are not disciplined enough to be as consistent at the horse needs--they try all kinds of training methods and none of them work because there's too much for the horse to interpret. NH creates ground rules (I push, you move) and then you can build on them.

Proof that it's not a bond? If you trained your horse well with CA's methods, and took him to a CA clinic, CA could do EVERYTHING that you could do with your horse.

All NH is, is training. That horse in the video has no silly human-thought of a 'bond'--he respects his handler and is doing what is asked. The fact that the work is interesting an engaging keeps him there--but the fact remains that it is just training.

Have you ever watched normal horses play? One will just wander off when it's done. Where, in that video, do you see that horse have the freedom to wander off? He doesn't. He's working. And he's well-trained. (He also doesn't mind his job, but that's another thing).

In APHA and AQHA shows, they have bridleless western pleasure. Those horses don't have 'bonds'--they're broke to death. Working a horse without leads and bridles isn't a bond (If it was, then you could train green horses this way!). It is just training.

If, when you work, you act like the halter and lead aren't there, you will find ways to control and interest your horse without them. That is the first step to working without these things. CA teaches his horses to sidepass with the stick--as you see, he's pushing the front of the horse's body away with his own, and he waves the stick at the horse's rear to make it follow.

It's not magic and it's not a bond. it's training. Break it down and your horse can do it too, as long as you stick with it.

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Well said, Mayfield!

I personally use some "NH" concepts and groundwork, no particular brand, the general gist is pretty much the same no matter who's system it is. It doesn't take long for the horse to go from proficient in an exercise on a line to off-line. My guy knows the G & S drill really well, so every now and again I test him by doing it without a lead. I recently groundworked a pushy QH for someone, simple leading and personal bubble stuff, and he could do the simple exercises without a lead after 1/2 hour on-lead. The liberty stuff is simply a by-product of solid "regular", for lack of a better word, training.

I'm not knocking the video at all; the horse is trained to the eyeballs, and well, to focus and do her job in an exhibition environment like that. For me, it gets even more spectacular when I think of the on-line work that was done to get the horse to that point. Nice video!

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post #10 of 31 Old 06-26-2010, 10:09 PM
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Absolutely mayfeild and scoutrider! These flashy demonstrations bug me mainly because they are designed to make the audience go "oooh, ahhh! Now I want to do that, so I have to go buy every single thing they have for sale out there in the lobby to learn how", lol. They don't show you the countless hours of training it took to get to that level. Most people don't have that kind of devotion, to do the work it takes to get to a level like that, whether they buy all the glitz and glamour or not. And the ones that do it could have done it without it, if they will invest the time. Time is the only way to get the results. But that's how these guys make a living, and if they can sucker people into spending big bucks, power to them, I guess.

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