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        06-27-2010, 07:16 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
    And I'm sorry if I offended anyone. It's just a sore spot for me. I have nothing against the trainers or the methods, but I do feel like a lot of people have been suckered out of a lot of money. In truth, I know they have helped countless people understand their horses better - no argument there. We are a do-it-yourself generation, and NH groups have simply harnessed the fact that a lot of newbies, and honestly clueless horse owners still don't want to hire a trainer, and they've packaged NH in a way that is follow the steps, which a lot of people love. I still think they take advantage of our materialism though, and that's the part that rubs me wrong. But if it keeps people from getting hurt by doing the absolute WRONG thing, I guess that is a fair trade off...
         
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        06-27-2010, 07:27 PM
      #22
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by apachiedragon    
    And I'm sorry if I offended anyone. It's just a sore spot for me. I have nothing against the trainers or the methods, but I do feel like a lot of people have been suckered out of a lot of money. In truth, I know they have helped countless people understand their horses better - no argument there. We are a do-it-yourself generation, and NH groups have simply harnessed the fact that a lot of newbies, and honestly clueless horse owners still don't want to hire a trainer, and they've packaged NH in a way that is follow the steps, which a lot of people love. I still think they take advantage of our materialism though, and that's the part that rubs me wrong. But if it keeps people from getting hurt by doing the absolute WRONG thing, I guess that is a fair trade off...
    There are people who get suckered out of money in the horse world but Natural Horsemanship is not a scam, it does work if you have the dedication and patience and the ability to be consistent and follow directions.

    It's no more a scam than in home gym equipment is. Sure, someone might let it collect dust and letting it just sit in a corner will not give them rock hard abs but... that's not the fault of the machine or the program or the company who sells it. Rosetta Stone language training, horse training, workout machines, cook books... it's all the same -- you have to USE the tools available to get anything out of them. Why is it upsetting?
         
        06-27-2010, 07:42 PM
      #23
    Green Broke
    I don't think the program is a scam, it's just that you don't need $1000's of dollars worth of "special equipment" to get those results. The knowledge is the same with or without the special colored strings that you get for "passing levels", and other such things. And don't even get me started on that home gym equipment crap. Like I said, it's a personal pet peeve. I don't think anyone else should change their opinions just because it gets on my nerves.
         
        06-27-2010, 08:06 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    You don't need his equipment to use his methods...a $20 stick from a local tack store looks and functions just like his, and the horses don't know any difference. I did notice at a local workshop (not CA workshop, but one using lots of his methods) that his halters with the 4 knots do stay on the horses face better that the halters without knots.

    On another note...several people mentioned that it's not a bond it's just a well trained horse, and I keep wondering what is wrong with a well trained horse? No, the resulting behavior is not because of a bond, but a lot of time and training, but the time and training spent with a horse DOES create a bond so in the end a bond is built.
         
        06-27-2010, 08:07 PM
      #25
    Trained
    I agree, you don't need the specific 'brand name' tools to get the job done; what you have to have is the patience, and the knowledge that it's going to take time to get to a certain point. I think too many people get caught on 'it will be a quick fix', if I get all this stuff to train my horse with. But the reality of it is that it's an every day committment, and depending on the horse, you may only get one exercise mastered in several lessons!
         
        06-28-2010, 01:02 AM
      #26
    Yearling
    True horsemanship is never a quick fix. Its a lifelong obsession! =)
         
        06-28-2010, 02:14 AM
      #27
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by draftrider    
    True horsemanship is never a quick fix. Its a lifelong obsession! =)
    Very well said, and I couldn't agree more.
         
        06-28-2010, 04:01 AM
      #28
    Started
    Speaking as a person that probably shouldn't have even been allowed to pet a horse much less own one when I got my horse, I think the videos can be very informative and helpful. Don't rely just on Clinton though. I learn a lot from watching lots of trainers on RFDTV channel and reading horse training articles (this forum is a great place for that ). Even though a lot of the training problems I see don't relate to my horse, they still teach me a lot that I can apply to me and my horse.

    I am one of those people that don't have a lot of money (and if I do have any extra my horse finds a way to suck it out of me ), so I can't afford to purchase a bunch of DVD's and tools. If you are like me, you may be interested to know that you can rent the DVD's. If you are interested pm and I will send you the info (I don't want to be spamming someone elses website on here). I'm going on vacation for a few days (lucky me huh ), so I will get back with you when I'm home with the info if your interested.
         
        06-28-2010, 07:34 AM
      #29
    Started
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by apachiedragon    
    I love the theory and results, but it has become such a moneymaking scheme! If you don't have the "special equipment", all the books, charts, videos, pay godawful money to get tested to be certified a certain level, etc, they want you to believe you won't get the results. That's the only thing I really have against the NH people. Money, money, money. Sorry for the vent, sore subject with me... Beautiful vid though.
    Clinton anderson doesn't do that. That's Pat parellies thing. Even so, you need to make your money somehow ;)

    Anyhow, the trainer I worked with was big on natural horsemanship and my horse gobbled it right up. I love Clinton anderson, though I didn't buy the things off his site (Mecate reins, stick, eta...) I bought it off Ebay. I have a very, very, deep bond with my horse. I'm a HUGE believer in Clinton Andersons and natural horsemanship techniques.
         
        06-28-2010, 08:21 AM
      #30
    Weanling
    If a dog came up to me and started speaking plain english, I may be a litle surprised at first, but then I would listen and communicate with the dog. If multiple dogs started to speak english to me, then I would not be too surprised anymore and communication with dogs would come naturally.

    When it comes to horses and NH, horses already speak the language, they do not have to be taught it. What they have to get used to is the idea of listen to the dogs speaking english (us). I commonly find that during beginner lessons, my lesson horse is checking with me about what to do next because whoever is on their back is still a little rough with the language. All the extra "fluff" is simply a matter of time, consistency, and pressure and release. Horses are naturally going to be pulled to the safety of the good leadership of a confident human that is "speaking clearly". That leadership ability is commonly overlooked, thinking that the horse is simply learning to respond to cues. Actually, in many cases, the horse is just learning to respond to cues, this is why you see a lot of NH trained horses that will climb on top of their scary obstacles, stand to have a giant ball bounced next to them, and allow a tarp to be thrown over their back, yet they still can't walk by a scary looking rock on the trail.

    I have personally seen many times how people see the result of training and thinking that simply practicing that over and over again is how you get there. For example, my own horses are used to standing quietly ground tied when I jump off and do something else. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people see me do this and just assume that if they try it, their horse will do it too. It always ends up with some horse running off, and that is not with me trying to show off, its just something I do all the time without thinking.

    I know someone else that is starry eyed over liberty work. She takes her horse in the arena and lets her go and continuously tries to get the horse to run with her, which always ends up with the horse running around screaming to all of the other horses outside of the arena.

    My advice, don't look at the "tricks". The 16 yr old kid that wants to race his car without first learning respect for what the car is capable of is going to end up hurting himself or the car. Focus instead on being part of their world. In other words, your goal should not be to get the horse to be obedient, your goal should be for you to learn how to communicate.
         

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