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post #1 of 10 Old 12-28-2011, 12:03 PM Thread Starter
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How To Get Better Results With Sharp Turns?

Let me explain...

My guy's an OTTB, and a wonderful horse 99% of the time. He moves easily off cues, and we do a lot of trail riding. He knows his basics like stop, walk, trot, canter and - of course - gallop. He gets his leads correctly about 75% of the time and is a very good horse and very willing, which is why I know that my issue is something I'm doing wrong.

I don't have much of a riding arena where I am, and in fact the only substitute is the field where the horses eat, which is currently a sea of lumpy, icy, snow. My area for riding is normally the trails, which is where I do most of my training.

I'm trying to teach my horse to turn quickly and efficently a full 180 degrees ... it can come in handy when on trail rides with large groups and Nikki can do it when he's going away from the barn and asked to turn back very easily. He's done it as fast as a slow lope.

But going the oposite way is a fight. If we're already heading towards the barn and I ask him to do a 180. He fights for about 10-15 seconds before doing a big sloppy, put me in the trees turn. I ask the same way in both direction. First I apply leg to just behind his girth, then I pick up the outside rein, I turn my body slightly, laying it across his neck, and then I pull his nose around to my knee.

Going away and then turning toward the barn, I rarely have to even touch the reins, because he's already turning....

How do I get the same results going both ways?

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I think you need to deal with the problem that he is a little barn sour. It is not the fact that he doesn't know how to rollback, he is being disrespectful.

Second of all, I would sit down, pick up the inside rein first so the shoulder is picked up, use the outside leg, then the outside rein. If the shoulder is dropped he will just pivot on the front ans swing his ass around.
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How would you suggest correcting the barn sour behaviour, because he's not outright nasty, and he still does what I ask, just he's more of a twit about it?

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Cowchick may have a better technique that gits posted before I get done, but here's how I cure it:

First, remember how he feels when he turns to go to the barn? It's snappy with no wasted motion, because he has a place he wants to go. You can duplicate that whenever you want. You just have to make him get in a hurry.

Just ride him towards the barn and turn. When he drags around, get forceful. Direct rein him sharply if you have to, then when he's pointed away from the barn, kick and make him lope off. Ride at least 50 feet or more. (Remember, only make him go fast away from the barn!)

Then you can turn back toward the barn and ask for a walk. If he tries to hurry to the barn, turn him hard and make him hustle away again. Do this for at least 30 minutes. He'll get a chance to get his breath when he's walking toward the barn, so don't worry about killing him. Just remember, turn away from where he wants to go and hurry off!

After a little while you'll start feeling him act like he wants to turn away from his favorite place. Then all you have to do is refine his turn into a rollback which is a really tight 180. If you do this awhile, your horse will actually become "reverse barn sour"
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AC, that's how I would do it too.
Basically your making the barn bad and going away from the barn good.
Make being at the barn hard work. Because he knows that when he heads to the barn after a ride he's done for the day. You can make this work to your advantage to get abetter roll back as well. When you rollback towards the barn make sure you rollback in both directions so you are teaching both sides. If he has one side that he rollsback on better I may only work on that side for about a third of the time. Also when he finally gives you a good rollback going away from the barn and scoots out of there, give him a rest and let him think about it.

Just a side note, when you are done riding him don't go directly to the barn. I would tie him saddled out away from the barn for awhile before I brought him in to unsaddle and turn him out. I always do this with my colts. I NEVER ride them out an arena gate back to the barn or trailer. After a training session I cool him out wind him down mentally and relax before I dismount. Then loosen his cinch and tie him inside the arena to the rail while I ride another. This way he never associates being done for the day by going out the gate to the barn. Make the arena a "happy place" as Happy Gilmore would say.

I am dealing with this now with a horse I picked up last week, except he is so bad that he will run to the gate,sull up ....he's learning this is not the smartest plan. He may have gotten someones number, but I just revoked it...tee he

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"Make the arena a "happy place" as Happy Gilmore would say".....................

Thanks Cowchick, now I'm gonna have to watch Happy Gilmore again tonight to see that midget on the tricycle.:)


"He may have gotten someones number, but I just revoked it...tee hee"........................

haha!! hat's too funny! I revoked my horse's driver's license for speeding and failure to yield. Then I drove him home and ran off into a ditch while texting:(






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"Make the arena a "happy place" as Happy Gilmore would say".....................

Thanks Cowchick, now I'm gonna have to watch Happy Gilmore again tonight to see that midget on the tricycle.:)


"He may have gotten someones number, but I just revoked it...tee hee"........................

haha!! hat's too funny! I revoked my horse's driver's license for speeding and failure to yield. Then I drove him home and ran off into a ditch while texting:(
I know..the midget is awesome...when he waves with his little cowboy hat on, I can't help not to wave back!


Lol...no more texting and riding for you mister....and both of you should probably stay out of the hooch until you get home.
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This thread made me watch happy Gilmore XD ooh how I love Adam Sandler!

Anyways, so I gave your advice a go and it seems to be working. He's still not flawless but he is starting to anticipate the turn was soon as he feels my weight shift. He lightens right up on his front end and while there is a moments hesitation still, I feel am improvement from before.
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Lol! So did I!

Right on! Glad its helping :)
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I usually fix the issue exactly like Chick and AC. I went through this with a customer horse that came to me with some training but the trainer that broke him in sent him home with the excuse "He rides nice, he's just lazy and I can't get him to do anything".

Anyway, he and I got into a fight one day when I was working on his handle and his stop on the walk back toward the barn. Just like your guy, he would do a perfect rollback on the way back to the barn but turning away, he would sull up and resist. I ended up spending about 45 minutes working with him in about a 100 yard stretch of caliche road. I would bump him in the shoulder with my leg when he was being sluggish to move his shoulders over, I whopped him on the ass with a bridle rein quite a few times, but he figured it out. After that, I never had a single problem with him and he had almost perfect rollbacks from that moment on (as perfect as you can really expect in 60 days anyway LOL).

Like it is with all training things with horses, it just takes time and consistency.

Always remember that feeling of looking at a big, open country over the ears of a good horse, seeing a new trail unwind ahead of you, and that ever-spectacular view from the top of the ridge!!! Follow my training blog: http://robertsontraining.blogspot.com/
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