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post #1 of 5 Old 05-29-2011, 03:43 PM Thread Starter
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I am trying out a young Irish Draft Sport Horse and he is so sweet and loveing and great (but very green) to ride. But he won't respect my space! I try to get him to back up and he just practicaly runs me over AND I CAN'T STOP HIM! Can you please post how I can get him to respect me better? And PLEASE don't say "He sounds like to much for you" ect. Becasue I really don't think he is and I don't think anyone but amazing horse people could get him too.
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post #2 of 5 Old 05-29-2011, 07:33 PM
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I don't understand: you are backing him up and he almost runs you over? How can he run you over backwards?

In general, to have a horse respect your space you need to be bigger than he is. Not just physically, but in your attitude.

Not being sure what your situation is, here are just some ideas that may or may not apply:

If the horse leads in front of you, swing the lead rope in a vertical circle in front of his face. If he walks too far forward, he will walk into the spinning rope.

If you are standing anywhere near the horse and he crowds you, use a tool of any kind to cause pressure or pain depending on the respect and training level of the horse. If the horse continues to move into your space, the pressure/pain increases. Once the horse moves away, the pressure decreases. I had a draft stud that I used a blunt tipped arrow to do this with. Worked great and he was so disrespectful, I wouldn't have cared if the arrow actually hurt him. It never did.

Never let a dominant horse approach you unless you have invited him.

Tools make you bigger: crops, lead ropes, barn shovels, sweaters... anything. Be BIG.

More details would allow us to give more specific ideas for you. Is this your horse? Are you thinking of buying/leasing him? What is your responsibility level with the horse?

It's possible that you shouldn't be doing too much training here in the first place if the horse belongs to someone else and depending on your agreement, safety level and a myriad of scenarios.
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You must have the attitude of 'boss mare' and that comes from deep inside you. Feel the position, don't try and dominate, rather you must have the quiet air of total control about you.

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There are a lot of specific exercises that can be great tools for establishing respect, but, as NorthernMama said, it's hard to give specific advice without specific information. If you don't own the horse, it may be inappropriate for you to do any of this kind of training with him at all. If you are considering buying him, and he has issues that you need to ask how to address before the purchase, I would honestly call that a sign that he may be too much for you to handle right now without some on-site assistance. I know you asked not to hear that, but please remember to be brutally realistic about your abilities.

In general, moving the horse's feet on the ground starts a productive pattern of behavior. Get him to move his feet on your terms - whoever gives ground first confirms the submissive position in the herd. If the horse is in the habit of crowding with his shoulders, work on yielding the forehand. If the horse swings his rump to you, yield the hindquarters and get two eyes and two ears looking at you. Barging forward merits backing up. You can use the fence to start sidepassing from the ground.

Those are the basic exercises: move each part of the horse's body on your terms, and with a respectful attitude from him. The hard part is doing it with the right timing and feel for the exercises to make a difference, and that is what almost always requires on-site help from someone who can teach that timing and feel. A correction for disrespectful behavior needs to come within 3 seconds max of the behavior, or the horse will not connect the action with the correction. Same for the release of pressure - it does no good to get a little "try" from the horse, press on for more for 5 minutes and release then when the horse doesn't give again. Horses learn from the release of pressure, not its application. Reward the smallest change and the slightest try - it can be as small as a relaxing of the body at first, signaled by blinking, licking and chewing, sighing, etc.

More information about the exact situation would be really helpful if you want more than a list of possible exercises and buzz-phrase guidelines.

A stubborn horse walks behind you, an impatient one in front of you, but a noble companion walks beside you ~ Unknown
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Hi, thanks for the posts! I have actually fixed the problam on my own. He really is the smartest horse I have ever met....
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