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        01-25-2010, 10:28 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
    Savvy I do not understand you at all. You have never me nor my horse. And you have NO idea what type of bond me and Chance have. Everyone who ever sees me and her work together has complimented on how great we are together and how well I read her and do what she needs to suceed. SO unless you have seen me in person for at least a week don't say we don't get along. Sure we clash but we are very close.


    ANWAYS

    Today I decided to work chance and for the hell of it put a few jumps out. And WOW she blew me right away! She was ASKING to go over them! Even when she got her striding wrong she made up for it and saved us both! I was very impressed! The highest she jumped was 2'6 which is the highest she's gone over confidently in a while :)

    I've decided I love this mare way to much to let her go. I was grooming her and trimming up her mane. She was being very lovey/cuddley towards me which made me realize how much I would miss her if she wasn't with me. I know im going to have days where we clash and what not but that will go for any horse. And I've put 2 years into this mare and accomplished a lot with her and Im not ready to let that all go yet.

    Im not going to be showing a lot so my horse is more important then what we show in.

    Thank you everyone for the replies. It deffinately made the choice easier on me :)
         
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        01-25-2010, 10:48 PM
      #22
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    There are two ways to be rich. You can earn more or desire less. If I really liked the horse and I could afford to I might change my plans and do what the horse was better at. If I was unwilling or unable to change disciplines then I would change horses. I have horses for my pleasure not just to give the horses a home. Currently I don't have to worry about the horse fitting because I don't compete and I can get just about any horse to work for what I do.
    I'm going to remember that line!
    If you can afford to keep him do. Story time
    I was selling a OTTB that had been trained as a jumper and did wonderful in a controlled environment. I tried to make a trail horse out of her, both of us were unhappy. A young girl came out to look at her and just loved her, but was looking for an easy riding trail horse. She ended up with a TWH but about a month later she called and wanted to buy Bella too, sadly I had already sold her.. Moral of the story. If you want a trail horse get one. If you want a dressage horse and can afford one, get one of those too. Its like having more than one tool in the toolbox.
         
        01-26-2010, 06:03 AM
      #23
    Yearling
    I've sold a horse because she didn't suit my needs. I like doing dressage. I was competing in it quite a lot at the time and thought I wanted to compete even more. That mare tolerated it on a good day but it was hard. She just didn't really have the conformation for it, so it was a lot of work for her, and she was kind of a lazy horse so getting her motivated to be that in front of the leg in a place as dull as a jump-less arena was a challenge. She loved to trail ride and jump, but I had no desire to pursue that competitively. For four years I struggled to make that relationship work but eventually realized neither one of us was ever going to change our opinions about dressage. I sold the mare to someone who wanted to trail ride and jump and I bought something with less aversions towards dressage. Everyone was happier.
         
        01-26-2010, 10:23 AM
      #24
    Guest
    Sorry folks - I posted this one on the wrong thread - herewith on the correct thread.

    To keep or not to keep on with a horse
    This is obviously a topic which strikes a chord. It is not easy is it? You have discovered something about a horse which you know does not fit with yourself and the obvious thing to do in times gone by was to sell the animal and move on. Nowadays we try to get close to the animal - we are aiming to bond with
    It and once we do then we are hooked.

    My problem with DiDi is not her fault - it is mine. I know that.
    She's has not changed - it is just that I did not recognise what the "fizziness" represented. I thought she was merely taking time to settle in. Well she wasn 't. She is a working girl, she is in her prime and she wants to get on with it. It is just that she is lumbered by this Old Man who bought her. She was all tarted up and dressed to kill and the Old Man was smitten.

    Trouble is, I know her too well now. She is happy. Everyone asks her to do something - noone demands or shouts at her.
    There are no whips, no tie downs, no aggression.
    She's got her routine sussed and she lacks for nothing.
    SHe's safe, she's sheltered, she's secure, she's fed regularly.
    She's got her own field, her own stable and her mates are across the fence. They don't poop on her field.
    She is in a protected cocoon and so she wants to let off some steam.

    But if I sold her, then I would have to be very certain who took her on. Despite the gentle temperament she is not the sort of horse for a beginner - and she could easily react badly if handled unsympathetically.

    So we have found this nice young capable rider with the right
    Attitude. We've put the two together. Over this coming season I'll watch and see how the two of them get on together. Is DiDi a show jumper or a cross country girl?

    Anyway - one day I suppose I could find her a nice Lusitano to make eyes at. Then I might beget a prancing powerhouse - who knows?
    I don't have to take her out of my life yet - do I?

    B G
         
        01-26-2010, 11:36 AM
      #25
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by HorsesAreForever    
    Savvy I do not understand you at all. You have never me nor my horse. And you have NO idea what type of bond me and Chance have. Everyone who ever sees me and her work together has complimented on how great we are together and how well I read her and do what she needs to suceed. SO unless you have seen me in person for at least a week don't say we don't get along. Sure we clash but we are very close.
    Sorry was on my fiance's computer which needs a good whack with a stick.

    I was simply saying that from all your posts I always had the idea that you and chance don't get along that well. I never said that you guys don't have a bond, or that people haven't complimented her...but that doesn't mean that you necessarily get along.

    Going back in your post history I saw another post almost like this, but yet you stick to jumping. Reading different posts you said that occasionally that Chance kept jumping and jumping and would offer the jump. Now you are saying she hates jumping?

    I agree with RiosDad because it's going to keep coming back to haunt you. You seem truely into jumping and when someone gets that way they never fully give up that discipline.

    But I also believe too that if you are doing things over and over again and not motivating the horse, that the horse, especially the horsenality Chance appears to have in the videos I've seen of her, the horse is going to hate it more and more. And that's where I think you are going wrong. I have talked with different people about this (2 people really) and both have agreed that Chance is LBI and I just don't feel that you have the want to motivate a LBI. To me you would be better suited for a mild LBE and one that is the "pick me!" type personality not the "whats in it for me". Just my thought and opinion...you asked for an opinion, do expect some that you won't entirely like.

    I have sold one horse because discipline wise we didn't match and neither personality wise. I'm definitely an LBE when it comes to horses, and my LBI is still a struggle but as long as we stick to trails, he will gallop all day long....but hit the arena and I have to use different stratagies. The horse I sold was an RBE and I had to admit that I didn't have what it took to work with that horse. I wanted to do dressage with her (she was a Warmblood) but she was scared of the judges, the crowd, and everything....but she was more of a Cross Country Horse. As long as she wasn't kept in a huge arena she was fine. I am not a Cross Country person, tried it for a month, and never went back...I don't like jumping too much and only will if there is a log in my way. I worked with her for 1 year to try to work with her on the dressage, but we'd get somewhere, and then we'd slide back (like how you described what happens in the winter), but this was just randomly...normally every 4 months. I finally admitted that I was not the person to own this horse no matter how much I loved her. She was the horse that would gallop to me in the pasture and whinny to me. I sold her to a lovely lady and her daughter. She is now doing cross country and the occasional updates that I get make me not regret that choice.

    Just something to think about
         
        01-26-2010, 12:40 PM
      #26
    Trained
    HAF- If you will just invert your brain and become ambidextrous then all your problems will go away. I could be wrong since I have never spoken a word to you or seen you or your horse in person but I have read about this so I'm going to belabor the point anyway.
         
        01-26-2010, 01:31 PM
      #27
    Banned
    Don't forget the kohlrabi stick, Kevin.

    The horse and owner needs to play the 7 Pasttimes with the kohlrabi stick and flickitatin' rope, otherwise they'll never come to that magickal, mystical mind meld.

    Since y'know, those of us who understand that horses are animals and don't need to be anthropomorphized are uneducated buffoons.
         
        01-26-2010, 03:45 PM
      #28
    Green Broke
    If I knew what ambidextrous ment! :P I would try hahaha

    Im a LBE .. Chance is a LBI with a play drive. Would I do better with a LBE??? Yes of course. LIttle is an LBE and never says no .. untill his dominate side comes in. Lol. But it shouldnt matter what type of horseinately really. I love chance to much to let her go. Im willing to 'major' in dressage or even better XC if that's what Chance wants. I just need to get her out to a XC course.

    Chance has her days where she will jump all day then days [even if we havent jumped in months] will refuse like mad. But if you put her out on a trail with jumps aka XC :P she will fly over them with a huge smile on her face. She doesnt hate jumping .... she more or less hates jumping in a arena but yesterday she was asking to go over them... and flew over them with perfect form! She tends to flip her attitude around when im ever thinking of selling her which is interesting lol its almost liek she knows so she tries harder :P

    Its been a pretty ehhh week for us but things are looking up. Im going to try and ride her today and see what happens. I know the winter has been a huge play in her attitude which I understand.

    Also her attitude has improve A LOT!!!! Since I dropped parelli! Ears up and comeing to me in the pasture with out question, being very cluddly.

    I know its always said that parelli works for all horses.. just not all people.. My horse has proved that wrong. Lol I loved the program.. Chance didnt.
         
        01-26-2010, 04:10 PM
      #29
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by HorsesAreForever    
    I know its always said that parelli works for all horses.
    Um no, nobody in their right mind would say that.

    Horses, like people, are individuals. There is no training method on the planet that will work for every horse, regardless of who's trying to sell it.

    Don't drink the kool-aid.
         
        01-26-2010, 04:12 PM
      #30
    Yearling
    Please excuse my ignorance but what is LBI, LBE, and RBE? What do these stand for? Honestly just curious.
         

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