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post #1 of 14 Old 09-27-2012, 01:09 AM Thread Starter
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how to not stay collected

my spotted saddle is 4 1/2 years old and i use her for trail riding and plotting around the house. she gaits like a dream but when she trots or canters she is always collected. she has done this sense i very first started her as a two year old. is there a way to un collect her so to speak? or do i even want to do that? i have always heard people say not to ride collected all the time but she naturally does this. i only work her at a trot and canter to work different muscles than her gait.
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If she does it naturally, then just let her....if you can let go of the reins and she just keeps moving forward like that I would let her, plus it helps her round her back and carry you more efficiently
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i put absolutely no pressure on my reins unless i am asking for flexion or leg yielding. other than that everything is done by my seat or legs. i don't even ask her to stop or slow down with pressure on the bit
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i put absolutely no pressure on my reins unless i am asking for flexion or leg yielding. other than that everything is done by my seat or legs. i don't even ask her to stop or slow down with pressure on the bit
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That's good! If she wants to work like that then that's just fine. If it ain't broke, don't fix it as they say......wish my guy would stay that way, he works of seat and legs but I do have to pick him up now and again and remind him
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my appaloosa doesn't collect. he is very downhill and very difficult to sit. his canter is all out of wack. doesn't matter how much practice i have put in it hasn't changed a lick in ten years.
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I am going to guess that what you are saying is the horse moving collected "one her own" is probably the horse moving tense or braced. Do you mean that it carries its' head high in the air? Or that it comes behind the bit, even if you hardly put any touch on it at all?
How would you describe this "collected" way of going? are the steps really short and "pronky" , like a gazelle? is the speed fast, such that the horse feels like they are rushing in order to not fall forward onto their own nose?

Does any of this ring a bell or make sense to your situation?
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whats your idea of collection
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I am going to guess that what you are saying is the horse moving collected "one her own" is probably the horse moving tense or braced. Do you mean that it carries its' head high in the air? Or that it comes behind the bit, even if you hardly put any touch on it at all?
How would you describe this "collected" way of going? are the steps really short and "pronky" , like a gazelle? is the speed fast, such that the horse feels like they are rushing in order to not fall forward onto their own nose?

Does any of this ring a bell or make sense to your situation?
I agree with this.

It sounds to me like your horse might be more bracing or behind the bit instead of being truly collected. What does her movement feel like? Do you happen to have pictures - it could really help members know what is going on and offer more educated advice.

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she stays very rounded all the time. threw her back. her rump feels like she is sitting low or very under herself. like all her power is bunched up under her. she never carries a high headset even when she is gaiting. she stays flexed at the poll. she is very soft and supple and it feels like she is short strided. she does not avoid the bit whatsoever. you can use pressure on the bit i just don't ride that way. i hope this helps. i don't have experience with getting a horse to collect because my app that i rode forever never could get his butt under him so he feels like you are riding a camel.
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i actually had a vet check her back and legs because it felt so abnormal to me. the vet told me she was just collecting. i just thought it wasn't normal for her to work like this and not being asked i thought she may have something her uncomfortable. even when she gaits her hindquarts feel like the are dropped down and a lot of power coming from them.

@ Christopher i don't really have an idea of collection cause i have never rode a horse that would actually collect. most of the horses i have rode stay really stretched out threw their back and hind quarters and my mare doesn't stretch out. i was watching her run around her pasture this morning and she keeps her head dropped flexed at the poll and hindquarters dropped and under her.
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