Do you ever have trouble with your horse just bringing his nose in without rounding his back?
While they are in the snaffle and working at a walk and trot and I ask for them to round up I don't give relief until I feel them round. It will only be a little bit and just for a stride or two at first but if they want the relif then they have to round thier back. By the time they are in an advanced bit it is an instant response. I imagine that there are just as many western horses in false frames as there are english horses.