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How is a Sidepassing cue different from a turn cue?

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    02-20-2012, 09:46 PM
  #1
Foal
Question How is a Sidepassing cue different from a turn cue?

Hi everyone, quick question - I am teaching my horse to sidepass on the ground, but once in the saddle, what is the western leg cue for sidepass? I've taught him that the outside leg pressure means turn (say to turn left, I put pressure with right outside leg) - so if I only want him to sidepass to the left, what is the traditional cue for this, so I teach him properly?

Thanks in advance!
     
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    02-20-2012, 09:50 PM
  #2
Started
The difference would be the yielding of your outside rein I believe... I'm not a sidepassing expert...
     
    02-20-2012, 09:50 PM
  #3
Yearling
Tapping a horse toward the shoulder should make him turn the shoulder, tapping him toward the hip should turn the hip, and tapping him in the middle should be the cue for moving both.

Also you would pick up the horse OUTSIDE shoulder and leave the right rein slack.
     
    02-20-2012, 09:57 PM
  #4
Trained
Apply your right leg to the middle of the horse's body, pick up with both reins. Use the inside rein to hold straight and then the outside rein to pick up the shoulder and move them. Your leg moves the rest of the body. I.e., if the horse lags with his hip, slip your leg back farther to move it. It is okay for the front end to be a step of two ahead, but the goal is to be as straight as possible.
     
    02-20-2012, 09:59 PM
  #5
Showing
It greatly depends on which training method you want to use and what you plan to use the horse for.

I train using horses, ranch horses, trail horses, cow horses, etc. The way that I train a sidepass is: Pick up the reins for just enough contact with the mouth to prevent forward movement, left leg+left rein for a right sidepass on a horse that will neck rein. Left leg+direct right rein for a horse that doesn't neck rein yet.

Others will put different points on a horse's side that are cues for different things. For example, left leg up by the girth = right turn and left leg back closer to the rear cinch = sidepass.

That method works well if you only ever sit straight up in the saddle, but some of the work that I do causes me to be bent off one side, leaned back, or leaned forward when I need to cue for something. If I have to have my body in a way that doesn't allow me to reach one certain spot on their side, then I have a problem.

The way I train all mine, leg = yield the hindquarters and rein = move the shoulders. I balance how much of each to get the desired action from the horse.
     
    02-21-2012, 07:54 AM
  #6
Super Moderator
I do not have time to read everything so someone may have already explained it this way:

One utilized the diagonal aids and the other utilizes the lateral aids.

Diagonal aids means that you are using a dominant left leg and right dominant rein. This asks the horse to move his shoulders and 'follow his nose.

Lateral aids mean that you are using the dominant lag and rein on the same side. In the beginning, the horse;s head will be turned slightly toward the dominant leg and rein. In doing so, you steady the horse's position and ask him to move his entire body away from the dominant leg aid. Your opposite rein helps to steady your horse and keep him in the correct position.

Your aids for side passing are the same as for teaching a leg yielding exercise while you are moving forward. I prefer to teach a good solid leg yielding response before I teach a side-pass so that horses get in the habit of crossing their feet over ahead of each other instead of behind each other. Then, they learn to cross over 'clean', coordinated and do not interfere or hit the other foot or leg.

The object should be to use less and less leg pressure and to gradually get the horse to keep his head straight or almost straight in front of him.

The position of the leg is the same for leg yielding, side passing and turning. The leg should move back slightly to ask for a turn on the forehand or disengagement.
     
    02-21-2012, 08:31 AM
  #7
Showing
I have found that laying a log, board on the ground and having him straddle it helps the horse with sidepassing. When you close you right leg, with your toe behind the cinchor even farther back, use your right rein to control forward movement. On the left side move your leg off his body and move your left rein away from his neck as if to point the direction. Be sure to turn your head and look sideways. All your body language is telling him we want to move over there and will be exaggerated at first. You need to keep track of what 5 body parts are doing at the same time. Don't forget that even if he makes the smallest attempt that you relax your requests, then ask again.
     

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