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post #11 of 15 Old 10-14-2013, 01:19 PM
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I was going off the VIDEO. You walk back & forth, and your horse shifts to keep facing you. Please remember I do not know you or your horses. All I know is what you have posted on this thread before I make a response. In post #6, my total knowledge was based on post #2.

"If horse does what you ask for, it doesn't deserve getting it's butt kicked." I was not threatening YOUR horse. I said if my horse responded the way the horse did in the video, I'd be unhappy with her and would correct her. Horses are not born with knowledge of specific cues. Mine are not trained to behave that way, and would not.

You can train your horse how you like. If you are happy with the results, fine. But the OP's description does not sound like a disrespectful horse...just a horse who hasn't been trained to respond to the cue the OP wishes to use.

If the OP's horse HAS been trained to a different cue, but refuses to obey that cue, THEN there is a different problem.

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post #12 of 15 Old 10-14-2013, 02:16 PM
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Therefore saying "if my horse responded the way the horse did in the video, I'd be unhappy with her and would correct her" is not right.
I agree there are different ways to train the horse. You said you are going off of the video...I think it is pretty clear the horse does what I ask for.

If you pay attention, the horse doesn't move when I ask for whoa. I never walked past this head while he was asked to "whoa" so you only assumed what his reaction would be.
This horse is trained well.
The only reason I posted the video was to give the OP idea on what kind of exercises to try to work on.

There are different ways to train horses. I am not saying you train yours wrong way. It is you who is trying to say my suggestion doesn't work.
I have worked with horses that reacted very much like the horse OP described, and it has worked for me.
I was simply trying to help. I never had a problem to teach a horse to back up and I have trained all kinds. It is up to OP to decide if she wants to try it or not. I am not forcing my ways on anyone.
I choose to train the way I do, because I had good luck with it and I never have to be rough with the horse.
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post #13 of 15 Old 10-14-2013, 04:05 PM
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^^ Chill.

My point was, as I've repeated now, that training differs and the horse cannot behave it a way it was not trained to behave. I don't give a rat's rear how you have trained yours. For the THIRD time : it is your horse, so train it any way you wish.

If the OP's horse has already been trained to back up with cue X, and now is not, that is different.

"Make the right thing easy and the wrong thing...well, ignore it mostly."
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Could we please return to giving the OP suggestions?
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What you both are talking about is intention. the handler's intention is everything. If the body language says, "move your hiney", the horse will read that and move his hiney over when the person walks around. If the person's body language says, "stay here, I am just walking around you to check the cinch , or to grab something from the ground behind you , or .. ." the horse will know that there is no "push" in the riders' body, so will stand put.

in that video, I found it pretty hard to detect the change of intention in the handler's body, but apparently, the horse can. I thought her body had a lot of "push" in it, all the time, even when she walked up to reward the hrose, but the horse can tell the difference.\

There is one problem with "chasing " the hind around, and that is that the horse learns to plant his front feet, and spin the hind around behind him. and, the horse can sometimes get so used to doing this, that they do become hard to move around , without causing them to spin around their front legs, like they are trying to screw them into the ground. And they will try to keep you in one eye only, such as their left eye.

More than just having the hrose swing his hind over, you might want the horse to first look over at your and maybe bend his neck around the corner a bit , so that when you do to ask the hind to move over, he is doing it softley bent, instead of swinging like a gate on a hinge, heavy on the forehand.

To guage if a horse is really backing up well, watch to see that the diagonal pairs lift and move together . the horse will really have to be rocked back and balanced to do this. There is not reason why a person cannot do this with a lead attached.
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