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post #1 of 20 Old 09-12-2010, 10:23 PM Thread Starter
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How to tell someone they don't know what they are doing?!

I'm the head trainer/barn manager at a hunter/jumper facility. The barn owner hired a girl part-time to do most of the chores and she has basically morphed into my assistant. I'm in my late 20's and she just turned 21 so we get along pretty well.

I've given her a few riding lessons and she is a horrible rider.. She can hardly post and is scared to death of falling off and will rip out a horse's mouth if it goes a little to fast. She has literally pulled so hard on a relatively quiet horse that it ran backward several feet and reared, which it has never ever done. She's great at asking questions and wants to learn.. infront of me she admits her ability.

The problem is she calls her self a trainer! We have several novice boarders at the barn that she talks to and gives them "tips". She WAY oversells herself and quite frankly tries to do my job.

We had a newer boarder who bought a OTQH because she wants to barrel race. My "Assistant" has become good friends with this girl and has been helping her "train" her horse and today the girl got seriously injured (broke her leg in like 4 places and shattered her ankle).

The owner and I agree that something needs to be said... we're just not sure what to say because we don't want piss her off.. she can be a bit hot headed and were not looking for any more drama.

Any thoughts?
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post #2 of 20 Old 09-12-2010, 10:31 PM
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Hi Rolltop...welcome to the forum. :)

Who is her actual boss...you or the barn owner? Whoever it is, I would just flat out tell her to do the work she was hired for and to leave the training tips to the trainers.

I know that sounds harsh but if she is giving out bad advice, it could pose a huge legal risk to the stables.

You or the BO can say all of that in probably a less blunt way of course...but I wouldn't *****foot around her just to avoid drama. Not if what she is "teaching" is dangerous and wrong.
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Jake said it best. Whoever is her direct supervisor needs to put their foot down and set her straight before she gets someone hurt.

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post #4 of 20 Old 09-12-2010, 10:40 PM
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Exactly I wouldn't worry about hurting her feelings flat out tell her before somebody else gets hurt or the horse
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post #5 of 20 Old 09-12-2010, 10:40 PM
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Blame it on the legalities and/or insurance if you need to to not set her off, but one of you will have to say something for sure.

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post #6 of 20 Old 09-12-2010, 10:42 PM
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I agree. We had someone like that at my barn and I was in a similar position. Me and the barn owner had to sit her down and tell her to stop, and after that she did.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #7 of 20 Old 09-12-2010, 10:45 PM
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Blame it on the legalities and/or insurance if you need to to not set her off, but one of you will have to say something for sure.
I agree with this. Why not blame it on the insurance. That you can only have one trainer (or two or whatever) and that is why you are paid the big bucks, lol!
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post #8 of 20 Old 09-12-2010, 10:47 PM
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I agree. Blame it on insurance! Tell her that you understand that she wants to be a trainer but she needs more saddle time before she starts dishing out advice.
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post #9 of 20 Old 09-12-2010, 10:50 PM
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Sit her down and remind her what she was hired for; even an apprentice is in a "training" position NOT a trainer position...she is there to learn NOT teach.

Now the other rider's injury could have been indirectly related to her advice, but I certainly wouldn't ***** foot around the issue, because if you do and someone decides to do something about it, the entire training and boarding facility could be in jeopardy.

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post #10 of 20 Old 09-13-2010, 12:09 AM
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If people are getting injured, you need to blatantly and clearly tell her that it is NOT her job to be giving out training tips and that if she is found to still be doing it, she needs to leave. Training horses is a dangerous business to begin with, and it is only complicated by inexperience/lack of knowledge.

If I was her boss, I wouldn't let her off gently just to avoid drama. Its bad for business to have beginner riders thinking they are good trainers, on top of that a lawsuit waiting to happen, and worst case senario, a serious injury/death.
This is not a matter you should take lightly just as not to upset her.
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