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post #11 of 15 Old 02-07-2012, 11:16 PM
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I doubt this horse is an any "pain". All these issues are common things that horses do when they're green. (if given the chance) Except the mouthy part. Not all horses will try that.

The good thing is, the horse is making mistakes! I love for a horse to make mistakes because they learn much faster. Training is not only teaching a horse what to do, but also teaching them things to not do.
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post #12 of 15 Old 02-09-2012, 01:03 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks for everyones replys, I'm sorry it's a day later but I took some key points of training I wanted to try first. so this morning since the vet was visiting the barn for another horse to get its teeth floated and she look a quick evaluation an concluded that he was all heathy in everything riding wise. But he was showing early signs of colic, so we immediately treated it. If I hadn't been compelled by you guys to get a vet check he could have gotten serious colic!
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post #13 of 15 Old 02-09-2012, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by GotaDunQH View Post
Agree about starting over again....start working this horse like to has not been trained before. There are MAJOR training holes. Clean the slate and start over. Rule out pain, have the teeth checked and start again with a snaffle bit for the under saddle work.

For the ground work...I also agree....I use the word QUIT. For the pawing, well....that's one that many people spend too much time fussing over getting a horse to stop. If it does bother you that much, take your foot and bump the leg that is NOT pawing from the back...up close to the back of the knee. Kind of like when someone comes up behind you and does it to you as a joke, so you knee gives a little....know what I mean? The horse will be surprised because the other knee gives and they will put the pawing foot down to compensate. Hard to explain here. As for the mouthiness, sometimes a real quick "elbow" works, then go about your business. It's the element of immediate surprise that works.
Just my two cents on the pawing thing...many people (myself included) see it as a sign of impatience and disrespect. My gelding did it for the first time ever the other day and he got a smack on the shoulder (not hard...more like a tap to get his attention) and a "Quit it!" in a stern voice. He already knows that phrase from being reprimanded for biting and trying to kick me while I clean his feet (he was an unhandled 2yo stud colt when I bought him less than a year ago), so he immediately knew that whatever action he was doing at that time was inappropriate and stopped. He got a "Thank you!" once he stopped.

However, I do agree that going back to basics (aka-ground work) is essential here, but I think for a reason not yet mentioned (at least I didn't seen where anyone had mentioned it). If your horse doesn't respect you on the ground, he isn't going to respect you in the saddle. I learned this when I retrained my old gelding from the ground up (had a VERY similar situation to yours with him) and it was completely reinforced to me with my current gelding. I have my gelding's respect on the ground. What I say, goes. So, when I get in the saddle, that respect transfers and what I say, goes.
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post #14 of 15 Old 02-09-2012, 08:15 AM
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I'm just going to throw my 2 cents in on the BITING (nipping is the same thing as it's disrespect). First, I won't hit a horse on the head because horses don't bite each other there. A horse that bites another is charged at and gets bitten usually on the neck. If the instigator is quick enough at ducking away, it will get bitten on the back or rump. But, rather than start hitting on a horse, try flapping your elbow closest to his mouth. Do it randomly. Your elbow is sharp and he may turn into it once but he won't want to a second time. The randomness keeps him on the alert. PS don't let the "early stages of colic" allow you to dismiss his behaviour as being caused by this diagnosis. Early stages means hours, not weeks or months.
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post #15 of 15 Old 02-10-2012, 12:44 AM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by Saddlebag View Post
PS don't let the "early stages of colic" allow you to dismiss his behaviour as being caused by this diagnosis. Early stages means hours, not weeks or months.
I am aware what the colic stages are but thanks for the reminder, I won't blame that for anything, trust me.
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