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    03-01-2013, 11:50 AM
  #11
Green Broke
I don't put up with anything. That includes meandering on end of lead rope, lipping/nuzzling, food aggression, attitude, ignoring me, snaking head at me, moving around when hard tied, pawing, or ignoring me when unhaltering because of food. Also dropping head to graze, bucking, balking.

Don't put up with anything, that way horse doesn't get mindset to try anything.
     
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    03-01-2013, 01:59 PM
  #12
Super Moderator
Reading everyone's list reminds me of the many things I forgot to put on mine.
Honestly, asking folks to write about what small transgressions they DO let go, without reprimanding, might be of more interest.

In my case, that would be allowing Mac to rub his head on me, but only at the end of our ride, and only when I indicate that I'm ready.that's just one of the things I know I should not allow but I do.
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    03-01-2013, 03:13 PM
  #13
Weanling
Ideally the handler sets the horse up to only allow correct responses so there s little need for 'reprimand'. IF the horse is focused it is less likely to use its nature as it would with other equines. It just has to learn the rules of interacting with the head mare (aka the handler).
     
    03-01-2013, 03:17 PM
  #14
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Originally Posted by equitate    
Ideally the handler sets the horse up to only allow correct responses so there s little need for 'reprimand'. IF the horse is focused it is less likely to use its nature as it would with other equines. It just has to learn the rules of interacting with the head mare (aka the handler).

Focussed is the key word. For the horse to be focussed where we want it to be, WE have to be focussed. That takes work; to be focussed every minute is the goal of a great horseman/woman. But, it takes work and committment. Most of us would rather just have a good time. It's OUR attention span that needs training.
     
    03-01-2013, 03:36 PM
  #15
Trained
My horse has me well trained to not let him get away with anything I won't be happy about him doing again. He learns fast and if he does something once he will keep trying it.
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    03-01-2013, 04:54 PM
  #16
Trained
Interesting topic. I it depends on what defines a "reprimand". If I am 100% sure that one of my horses understands what was asked but refuses, or what not, I wouldn't say I "reprimand" them for not comlying per se. I might agressively "encourage". Sometimes that just consists of me slapping my own leg w the rein leathers under saddle, which more often than not communicates the "encouragement" well enough...so you see why I make the "distinction"..since I am not "reprimanding" myself for their refusal. BUT, if a youngster, say, reaches down while I am picking there feet and grabs my ponytail and yanks my head up (get the feeling this isn't hypothetical?)...hello, "reprimand"!
     
    03-01-2013, 06:01 PM
  #17
Green Broke
I'll go out on a limb here and say I tend to allow my horses concessions if they can prove to me they can act like a "big kid". I don't mind having a nose extended to ask for a treat if they respect my space and don't lip. Some horses can handle this no problem, some you simply can't hand feed in my opinion. Any form of biting or kicking is met with immediate and harsh punishment. I encourage my horses to be curious and investigative while still being respectful. I don't "being the hammer down" for minor trangressions but I do correct them such as moving when "ground tied" - I just put them back where they were and tell them to stand again.

I try to cater to individual personality. Some horses need discipline every 5 seconds to not be a pushy butthole, some are intelligient enough to understand the boundaries and live within them. I try not to "over discipline" as I find it creates a "deadhead" sometimes. I don't need unconditional obedience. I understand sometimes you won't understand me and do the wrong thing. I like my horses to be alert and aware on the trail for danger - not spooky but smart. I think after almost killing Zierra in a bog because she trusted me, I like my horses to be able to warn me of a situation. Again, depends on the horse. If either of mine say no and REFUSE to go forward, I pay attention - both of them will ALWAYS go forward with a firm leg, regardless of what may be spooking them. They don't take "advantage" of situations so in return I place my trust in their abilities to keep me safe.

All that being said, when they are delibrately going against something they know, I tend to get into them pretty good. Spooking because a tree fell on the arena roof is acceptable, bucking because you "feel good" is not. I'm lucky though, my cow ponies are pretty darn obediant and well behaved!
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    03-02-2013, 02:16 AM
  #18
Foal
The reason I ask is because my horsemanship skills were really put to the test with a green 8yo Arab....

I ended up taking a step back, I know my limits & don't want to ruin him with my lack of experience, he was just becoming to much to handle for me, he threw so many challenges at me, I couldn't keep up with him - he's definitely too smart for his own good.

Timing with him has to be spot on or he takes whatever it is as a 'win'. It got to the point where I was questioning every movement & he was doing most things listed on this thread so far ... I just got overwhelmed I think - trying to be on top of him at all times, while encouraging the good things he does at the same time. It's quite an exhausting exersize :/
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    03-03-2013, 10:40 PM
  #19
Green Broke
"I can reach up and will pull grass out of the horses mouth"

That made me laugh. I can just see the horse's depressed expression. LOL.

For me, some say I am lenient. I allow some behavior that other's consider bad.

I let my horse put her lips on me, but never her teeth. Some say that she will end up biting, but she has only tried it once, and after she saw me become Hulk, she's never done it again. Horses aren't stupid, they know the difference between teeth and lips.

I also allow her to GENTLY rub her head on me. If she rubs hard enough to move me, that's too much and she gets a smack. She knows how to be gentle.

I also allow her to move at her own pace on the lead, to an extent. I keep my hand in a fixed place and there must ALWAYS be slack in the lead. She is able to walk a touch in front or a touch behind me, but that's it.

What I AM strict in is grazing on the lead line. She has to have my permission, which is me stopping and touching her poll. If she tries to snatch some without me saying, she gets a sharp pull on the line and a huge "NO!"

That's all I have for now, I'll think of more I'm sure!

Oh, and for riding. Of course bucking, etc gets a big whopping and work.
As for spooking, if she does it in place that's fine and we continue like nothing happened, but if she tries to bolt, she DOES get in trouble. I will NOT tolerate bolting for any reason. If she tries to bolt she gets a one-rein stop and we trot circles until she settles.
This is probably the reason I have a horse who likes to stop and face things instead of running (except cows, they are the BIG exception, but we have made strides with the cowphobia!)
     
    03-04-2013, 12:39 PM
  #20
Yearling
Striking, I was working with a long yearling TB filly, she was (still is) a brat, if you fussed to much over grooming or petting she would strike, kick, or bite. When I was grooming and she tried to strike it would get a quick slap and verbal cue (Ssst), then driving away and having to work hard. Pretty soon I'd see her eye change and and all I had to do was the verbal cue and she would stop.

Ears back, I have had many horses that want the carrot I've got so they lay their ears back. If it is a horse that I know the personality of (they won't turn around and kick me) they got a verbal command (Ears!) and a knuckle rap on the nose. They only get the carrot when they come to me with ears forward and a happy expression. I had one horse trained so he would be chasing another horse at feeding time (he was lead horse), and I would just have to say, "Zayn, ears!", he'd stop and turn to me with ears forward and then he'd come and protect me from all the other horses.
Running by and kicking out, I hate this! My siblings have had horses that do this. I haven't had one yet, but perhaps because they know that they are going to die if they try.
Rubbing their head on me, I'm not a scratching post. They get a sharp elbow in the neck.
Grazing while riding/leading, not allowed. My gelding right now is very heavy on the halter/bit, I have found that not allowing grazing while with me is the best way to not have to have a tug-of-war with him every time I work with him. He really likes to push this as much as he can.
Rearing, yikes! A yearling colt I had once tried this when I would ask him to trot on line, he only tried it in about three sessions. Every time he reared he got a swat from my rope and I'd drive him forward, hard. My gelding that I have now used to try this as well when I got him away from the herd. He got the same treatment, he no longer rears.
Other things that drive me crazy, a horse that tries to leave when you are grooming, saddling, or mounting/dismounting. A horse that won't walk on a loose rein. A horse that won't slow down from a gallop (I'm working on this with my gelding).
And worst of all a horse that walks through you like you weren't standing there. This results in me poking, elbowing, kicking their feet (not too hard), and using my rope to drive them away and making them work.
     

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